Ahhh - but news aggregators are not user-centric. Hubski is more like Facebook or Tumblr. And Facebook, Tumblr and Blogger all give the provider of content the option to censor other users on the content they post. Hubski does not. In many ways, Hubski is a hybrid between Reddit and Tumblr. If you want the Tumblr touch, you need to Tumblr control. I'm advocating a good deal more discussion and investigation on how to continue incentivizing providers past the point where they attract controversy lest they decide it isn't worth putting up with the bullshit (done this twice now). That incentive could easily be "come up with ways to foster community such that a culture of hostility is curbed before it develops" but my discussions with mk so far have been along the lines of "I'm don't see any way to deal with this that doesn't stink of censorship so I'm not going to work on it at all."
Reddit has become user-centric in many ways. This is one of the largest problems with reddit, but it is fact. hubski is most like tumblr mixed with twitter, I suppose. It doesn't strike me as remotely similar to facebook. You mean in the sense that if I post something I can limit who 'shares' it to just my close friends or whatever? Okay. I'll conditionally agree with you. If indeed there is a problem with the personal side of hubski, which I haven't myself seen evidence of yet but may in the future, then I admit that some sort of solution might be needed. However, it may just be that hubski will remain a personable version of tumblr/reddit, and if that's not your niche, it's not your niche. Curbing this hostility could accidentally curb what many of us like so much about hubski, and I can see why mk would fear that. Good discussion, sorry for my weather balloon-related dig at the beginning.And Facebook, Tumblr and Blogger all give the provider of content the option to censor other users on the content they post.
>Reddit has become user-centric in many ways. That's not a statement one can make without a defense. I'm recognized a great deal less than i used to be. I would argue that Reddit has become overwhelmingly less user-centric than it used to be. >You mean in the sense that if I post something I can limit who 'shares' it to just my close friends or whatever? Okay. No, I mean that if you make a comment on my post and I don't like it, I can delete it. Same with Tumblr or any blog.
For the former, I was thinking of novelty accounts, and how on the larger subreddits jokes about usernames and reddit personalities are rampant at the top comment levels. That's what I would call user-centric rather content-centric. (Additionally, things like bestofreddit, and also subs that are dedicated entirely to non-content things like helping people through charity or advice. Strays from news aggregator status into the internet community arena.) For the latter, I don't think that would be a particularly bad change, especially if you had to earn it first, in the same way you have to earn retagging privileges. I also notice there is no way to hide comment strings on hubski.
>For the former, I was thinking of novelty accounts, and how on the larger subreddits jokes about usernames and reddit personalities are rampant at the top comment levels. There hasn't been a novelty account that has lasted more than a couple months since PIMA went down. Before him, there weren't any noteworthy ones since PACG. The remaining "novelty accounts" are all moderators and are universally despised. >Additionally, things like bestofreddit, and also subs that are dedicated entirely to non-content things like helping people through charity or advice. I've been bestof'd more than 40 times and created /r/favors. To say they are "user-centric" is incorrect.
Disagree. There are the various "draw/read/sing/dramaticize your comment" guys. I imagine there are other examples but I'm not on the big subs enough to see them. In any case, I regret giving specific examples, because that always runs the risk of letting the person you are debating "debunk"* those examples and ignore the larger point -- which was that reddit is more about the community of 'redditors' than it is about the content these days. In some subreddits more than others, because of course lumping all of them together is a silly generalization. *in quotes because your response to bestofreddit (not r/bestof) was not adequate in my opinion.
>Disagree. There are the various "draw/read/sing/dramaticize your comment" guys. And since SIDT none of them have caught on. He's been out of the limelight for a year. "I imagine" is not a valid point of argument. >reddit is more about the community of 'redditors' than it is about the content these days. That wasn't your point - your point was that it was user-specific. There's a big difference between "favors internal content" and "favors individual users." I asked you to provide examples because you're making allegations you cannot defend. Saying "I shouldn't have given examples because they ignore my larger point" isn't argumentatively sound - if you have assertions, you must back them up with data. What you have is a feeling. Your feeling is based on lack of information. I have data. And that's why I said you are wrong. "Adequate in my opinion" is syntactically the same as "truthiness."
I've seen comments by the watercolor guy, the dramatic post guy, the sing your post guy, and the read your post guy in the last two weeks. Don't have them saved because I don't care. If you want "data," you'll have to do with that. Don't tell me what my point is. reddit is seen more and more as a 'community' and less and less as a news aggregation site. That is my point. It is still both, but its focus has changed semi-recently. I did provide some examples, and you refuted them without actually refuting them. A caveat -- reddit can be about the content. It's a matter of where you are on reddit and how you use it.