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comment by kleinbl00
kleinbl00  ·  1778 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Repo Lightening

You think you understand what the repo market does, but you do not.

The Fed does not control the overnight lending rate - it "targets" it. The fed started injecting billions into the repo market because its "targeting" was failing miserably:

The whole of the financial press worried this one around in their mouths for a month or so; it couldn't be as simple as the market setting a price other than the Fed's target, could it? Yet what was happening

was that nobody wanted to lend overnight at 2%. They wanted to lend overnight at 5%. So in order to "target" the 2% rate, the Fed had to lend to everyone who needed it at 2% and undercut everyone who was lending at 2.01%.

So here's the question: is that artificial rate suppression? Because when we did it in 2008, it was recognized as artificial. And it was recognized as what was necessary to keep the economy from going Tango Uniform. And it launched Occupy Wall Street, and it launched Bitcoin, because the rank and file non-hedge-fund class had been led to believe that if you screw up in the market you lose all your money.

You're right - the Fed did raise interest rates. However, they didn't exactly unwind their balance sheet. They started, sure - a lot of people observed how fucking dumb it was to raise rates and close out positions at the same time but here we are.

Oops! That's from before we all had to learn what Repos are.

Here's the important thing, considering you started out dickering with the graph and then expanded. That's a daily price graph - or, more likely, a 2-hr or the like. Thing is, it's actual trading. Repos exist primarily to calm the futures market - the guys who are playing the game before the game opens for the day. Announce $26b in repo cash at midnight which closes at 8:30am and what you're doing is keeping the futures market from dipping to minus 200 which makes the bots happy which means everyone is in a buying mood and w00t w00t the stock market isn't about to crash after all. Here's what you're missing: the origin point of those arrows comes from a sharp overnight downturn, every time. And every time, it prompts a stark rise in the S&P. Which is what the financial press will report on - it's always a form of "the S&P erased earlier lows to end at another record high." I get two or three of those a day from Yahoo, the WSJ, The NYT. Repo market stuff? You gotta hunt it up.

Here's the bottom line: we're both agreed that the Fed probably doesn't want to do this. If you look at that balance sheet you can see exactly what they wanted to do. Then Powell handed his nuts to Trump and now they're doing whatever keeps the stock market inflated. And that is pretty much "give money to rich people" which is 2008 all over again. And that is the reason everyone's beefing.

Tesla has a market cap greater than Ford or Chevy combined. Tesla has never had a dividend. Ford is usually good for fifteen cents a share; Chevy for thirty eight or so. A share of Tesla? $538 as of this writing. Ford? $9.23. GM? $35.05. That's 0.6 cents per dollar for Ford and 0.9 cents per dollar for GM in dividends alone; If you pile your money into GM you'll make $60 a year for every share of Tesla you felt like buying. That's what Graham would tell you to do.

But then, Graham would wash his hands of this market. Which is the argument ole Sven is making. Johan de Nysschen, back before he left Audi to join Cadillac to leave Cadillac to rejoin Volkswagen, said something like "Tesla makes nice cars. We would like to make cars like Tesla but our shareholders require us to be profitable". Tesla was at $305 then. They're at $530 now. If you owned Tesla and held it you've made $230. If you owned $300 worth of GM you've actually "lost money" in that the stock is flat, despite the fact that it's provided you with about $200 worth of dividends, which you could have reinvested or bought Ford with or whatever. This market punishes you for holding GM and rewards you for holding Tesla because its value will be "much bigger in the future." Like airlines.

    The worst sort of business is one that grows rapidly, requires significant capital to engender the growth, and then earns little or no money. Think airlines. Here a durable competitive advantage has proven elusive ever since the days of the Wright Brothers. Indeed, if a farsighted capitalist had been present at Kitty Hawk, he would have done his successors a huge favor by shooting Orville down.

-- Warren Buffett, in the 2007 Berkshire Hathaway shareholder letter

Yes. It's been twelve years since the great recession. Please refer to the fed balance sheet graph above. Here's the basic beef: the people who aren't banks are allowed to lose money while the rest of us get to twist in the wind. That privilege is about to be extended to hedge funds. This has made the investing class angry.

Again.