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mk  ·  1784 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: 'I Am A Woman': Track Star Caster Semenya Continues Her Fight To Compete As A Female

IMO if you’re going to divide the sport into two groups, it should be by something you can test for, rather than self-reported. Chromosomes seem to be the simplest approach. It’d be silly if eventually all the record holders are XY women.





katakowsj  ·  1784 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Agreed. It appears so basic. I wonder what's holding that decision up.

rthomas6  ·  1780 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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rthomas6  ·  1780 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It looks like the ruling Caster Semenya is fighting is about elevated testosterone levels in women. That is definitely testable. According to the ruling, if a woman has above a certain level of testosterone in her blood, the level must be lowered before she can compete. Seeing how testosterone levels are what causes secondary sex characteristics in men, and also the main reason why men are much stronger than women, this makes complete sense to me. When men transition to women, taking medication to lower testosterone levels is one of the main actions (along with raising estrogen) that cause physical changes.

mk  ·  1780 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Seeing how testosterone levels are what causes secondary sex characteristics in men, and also the main reason why men are much stronger than women, this makes complete sense to me.

But that's the rub, right? What definition of "men" and "women" are you using?

rthomas6  ·  1780 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In this context, I meant cisgendered men and women. Cisgendered men are stronger (and faster, and have faster training recovery) than cisgendered women primarily because of higher testosterone levels. So primarily caring about testosterone levels, to me, sidesteps all the gender politics and focuses on what matters for athletic performance. I rather like this method of doing things, because it's just defining a boundary for a competition class. Weight, equipment allowed, supplements allowed, gender, and now testosterone level allowed. It makes sense to me. In a sense it doesn't even matter how the competitors define themselves.

mk  ·  1780 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I assume you mean cisgendered in a biological (XY or XX) sense?

If so, then it seems that chromosome is a better divisor as testosterone levels aren't consistent in one individual, and as testosterone is just one factor in numerous downstream biological differences due to the sex chromosome difference.