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Yep. And I have been doing a social experiment by having this exact same conversation in three different sites I frequent. It has been interesting to see who easily slips on the mantle of the "Righteous Keyboard Jockey" and goes for the easy answers, and who actually thinks about the issue and expresses some insight and provides thoughtful input. Thanks for being the latter. That there are no easy answers to the question and that many resolutions and conclusions seem incomplete and unsatisfying only illustrate how complex the problem is. Because of that, taking positions of extreme absolutes and blanket conclusions is not the way to go.