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francopoli  ·  1091 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The problem isn’t that life is unfair – it’s your broken idea of fairness

The scary thing to think about is that the Just World Hypothesis is real and we really do get what we deserve. I don't buy it. One of the reasons that I am a liberal that favors many social programs is that it is not fair for a child to be judged based on the sins of the parent. A kid born to a single crack mom should not be destined to a life of suck just because he lost the birth lottery. Just as a kid born into the 1% should, in theory have the right to go bankrupt and lose everything.

And then I realize I life in a reality that is not fair, often not just, and try not to scream.

    You’re judged by what you do, not what you think

No, fucking, shit. Shouldn't that be the way it is in a fair world? You go to school get good grades don't mess around, you get noted and rewarded for that. Suck at school but you are really good at a trade, where you get better and more skilled and now earn a decent income while raising a family and buying the house etc? Should both of those people be judged as 'good people' or not? The reverse is that if you steal, do drugs, partake in riots etc, should we not judge you as someone 'bad' and treat you accordingly?

I would love to redo high school. Kick out calculus and replace it with finance and statistics. Literature classes should focus on giving students a unifying culture of Western Literature, and use that as a jumping off point to philosophy and ethics. Then the last year of school focus on civics, citizenship and the skills needed to do things like get a checking account, pay taxes, write formal letters to representatives, make a resume etc, basic computer security etc. Maybe figure out a way to work with community colleges so that when you got the kid who is amazing at programming, you send him to the local CC to hone those skills and start that path while they are learning the rest of the stuff. Right now high school exists to do one thing and one thing only: create college students. And I realize I am off on a tangent here, but stick with me. Less than 1/4 of all kids in high school will go to college. And from what I have seen out here in Redneckistan, those 3/4 are being undeserved and treated as an afterthought. A welder does not need to know calculus, but he damn well better know trig and geometry. Carpenters don't need to know 18th century poetry, but they need to know how to write a letter, make a budget etc.

And you guys really need to see his bio page When I saw the name it looked familiar; he's the guy fighting the "cookie law" in the EU.

OftenBen  ·  1090 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You mean just world fallacy. The falsely held belief that there is equanimity and 'justice' in the universe.

francopoli  ·  1090 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That is it. Yeap.

bfv  ·  1091 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    And you guys really need to see his bio page

... of course the guy who wrote that post has a giant photo of himself wearing a trilby on his about page.

OftenBen  ·  1090 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I understand why you'd make that remark, but is it necessary?

Maybe it's just my former neckbeard talking, but I think that caricature is going too far, and will create more Elliot Rogers types.

francopoli  ·  1090 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My take on that is that a Trilby/Fedora hat is a form of virtue signalling, and therefore open to mockery.

OftenBen  ·  1090 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Next time some schmuck shoots up a school, lets examine his internet history and see how many times he was called 'neckbeard.'

I bet it's going to be a lot.

bfv  ·  1090 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My youth:

Not many of us shot up schools.

OftenBen  ·  1089 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not sure the two are comparable.

There were/are emo girls.

bfv  ·  1089 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think I missed a conversational turn somewhere, but yes, there were goth (emo! you wound me!) girls. I submit that there are also women with difficulties socializing in person who spend a lot of time on the Internet too, though it's not clear to me what they have to do with the correlation between funny hats and naively confusing right wing politics with human nature, bloviating bloggers in general, or school shootings.

OftenBen  ·  1089 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I submit that there are also women with difficulties socializing in person who spend a lot of time on the Internet too,

There are, but they hate the guys in fedoras.

Goth girls (Sorry about the confusion!) like goth guys, and vice versa. Foreveralone guys, on the whole, would like foreveralone girls, but foreveralone girls outright hate foreveralone guys. The foreveralone for women subreddit for example has blocked all members of regular /r/foreveralone (The male version) from contacting them.

It's not 'one big community of men and women that are ostracized' it's 'Ostracized men' and 'ostracized women' and both of those groups are antagonistic towards each other as well the world at large. (NORMIES REEEEE)

francopoli  ·  1091 days ago  ·  link  ·