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flagamuffin  ·  1036 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: January 11th: What are you reading this week?

Cryptonomicon, it turns out, is the final and most perfect example of "Information Age" fiction that exists.




Kaius  ·  1033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Cryptonomicon is fantastic, I have Anathem in my audible list, I hope its as good.

flagamuffin  ·  1033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It actually is. It really, truly is. Different but similar.

Kaius  ·  973 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmm, so I'm just finished and I have to say my overwhelming feeling toward Anathem is that it was just really dull, too long with too many made up words.

There is a pattern throughout the book that goes something like this:

"Erasmus goes to a new location, he meets new people, he learns something new, that may or may not be tangentially related to the larger quest, but which also involves long side arcs where not much interesting happens". That is repeated at least 8 times if not more (interviews, apert, punishment, travel, city attack, archaeological site, new Math, space, ship, finale and probably a few more i missed).

The characters seem quite one-dimensional I thought, Arcibald and Jezry are almost interchangable. We are told multiple times that Jezry is the most gifted in the group yet never see him do anything to justify the acclaim. The love story could be removed and felt like an annoying add-on with no depth. None of the characters felt like actual people, merely plot devices that deliver some new information which sweeps our hero on to the next plot point.

It just seemed to me that it took an extraordinary long time to say nothing at all really, I would guess if someone had studied philosophy and was interested in a discussion about Nominalism and Platonism then it will tick some boxes but for me it didn't really work. It all just seemed a bit preachy, I'm sure there is a trope for characters who use a form of didactic conversation to withhold secrets until the student is ready but its probably used too much here. I may have drifted off a little towards the end, after the 3 way end story stuff, and missed some glorious reveal...

I don't feel it come close to the scale of Cryptonomicon which had multiple timelines and multiple perspectives wrapped up in an admittedly more firework laden storyline. Anathem is a single perspective wrapped around one topic which starts to really drag when we hit long wordy chapters filled with philosophical navel gazing.

Twas OK, maybe 2-3 stars out of 5. I'm coming to Anathem after reading the fantastic Wolf Hall/Bring Up the Bodies books from Hilary Mantell, who really knows how to build a character, so perhaps I'm treating Anathem too harshly as the comparison highlights its failings more acutely.

flagamuffin  ·  973 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't want to say you missed the point, because that sounds rude. I do think Anathem is directed very, very specifically at people who already have a given nonfiction body of reading in their past. As an ... action novel, or an adventure story, or even as an entry point into modern philosophy, it misses the mark.

In the end, it's rather like Cryptonomicon, though. Smart people put into tricky situations and forced to solve them or die. My favorite genre.

EDIT: good that you finished it. It lends your criticism validity, at the very least.

Kaius  ·  972 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh no I even said it myself that I probably did miss the point so you're not being rude :) I knew coming in that it wasn't going to be a straight action/adventure story and I wasn't looking for one. I have read some philosophy but it sounds like perhaps not the right books...

Can you tell me what you took from it?

flagamuffin  ·  972 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's the only book I've ever read with aliens -- for lack of a better word -- that adequately escaped the improbability of aliens as a plot device. Add to that the brilliant use of my favorite technique, a book set in the future gradually filling in the holes in an alternate past, and the neat explanation for the compartmentalization of pure science and engineering, which is something I could see happening in our world someday. Neal Stephenson is the best author we've got right now.

b_b  ·  1035 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That book kind of haunted my dreams the whole time I was reading it.

flagamuffin  ·  1035 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I had a really interesting dream last night about the end of the world. Very peaceful; contained a long conversation about windows and multiple dimensions. More Anathem than Cryptonomicon, but hey, I'll take what I can get.

I had been rationing my Cryptoreading in order to preserve my status as someone living the part of my life where I could still experience Cryptonomicon for the first time, as wasoxygen called it. Yesterday was the tipping point, which oddly enough was the introduction of Marcus Aurelius Shaftoe -- my favorite character -- and I burned through the last 400 pages. So now I'm post-Crypt, and bereft.

bfv  ·  1036 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not as long as there is BOFH.

flagamuffin  ·  1036 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fiction, I said.