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comment by _refugee_

So yes: congratulations, you read the first part of my comment where I said I thought Q was responding to stuff that happened last night.

That doesn't mean that my discussion of the actual point Q was making is meant as direct reference to or commentary upon what you said. Like seriously, I had already mostly forgotten about you. Like, yes, asshole users, deleted thread, blah blah blah. That would be a thing that is now over. There were multiple speakers in that thread I didn't like and frankly, I wasn't planning on remembering any of you. Congratulations, you had a chance to let things kind of simmer down and blow over, but because you couldn't help seeing a discussion about the validity of opinions and speech as an attack on you, you've stirred my pot again and you're back in the center of my attention.

So far that has not been a very fun place for you to be. Am I right? It hasn't been fun for me, you, or anyone else. So maybe you should relax a little. Maybe you should step back a bit.

Did I feel like the overall thread took on racist tones, yeah, sure. Is that why I used racism as my first example? Yup you bet. Had I remembered you as "the racist"? Nope. In fact I felt more of my beef was directed at that other guy who hopefully is smart enough not to interject here because I don't remember his name right now and that's for the better.

Like it could've been for you. But no.

Ya think this is the only argument about race we've ever had on Hubski? Ya think, based on the way that thread exploded last night, that maybe it happens a lot so maybe it's one of the easiest examples to turn to when we have discussions about this?

Would you agree that, if you are an optimist, you would hope that racism was an unpopular opinion, but just because it is unpopular does not mean it deserves to be heard? Because that is what I am saying in my comment.

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You seem to feel very much on the defense right now and I can understand why that is. However, I don't think it's a wise tactic to antagonize and bring attention back to you, so soon after the incident that made you feel attacked.

I don't feel the need to pretend I am discussing one topic in order to give veiled, snarky, cowardly commentary on other events. That should already be clear to you. I am referencing the subject of this thread.

Passive aggression is for bullshitters who can't stand up. When I have a problem, I will actively and aggressively address it. As I did last night.

Why don't you do everyone, but especially yourself, a favor and try to start repairing your relationships with community members you may care about, demonstrate that you are a level-headed, intelligent, and valuable member of this community, and show us that you are more than one part of the regrettable events of last night? That is what I would want to do. I would want to prove to people I am not what they think I am and that I am better than that.

I certainly wouldn't go around trying to start an argument with how they may feel about last night. I would try to remember that you were far from the only person in that thread. In short: it's not all about you, but if you want to make it that way, I don't think you're going to find it fun and i don't think it's going to help you.

Let's get some per aspera ad astra shit going on here dude. I'm trying to leave the mud behind and it seems you just want to throw it all over the future.





aidrocsid  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Jesus Christ. I'm not "going around trying to start an argument" and I don't need to "repair" anything. Get over yourself.

_refugee_  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You:

- only assumed I was referring to you specifically when I acknowledged generic events (let us note that during the course of those generic events, I only interacted with you once)

- assumed the gist of my post in a thread about free speech was really a passive aggressive takedown of you,

- assumed that comments I made that were clearly about hate speech on a completely different website were somehow, magically, directed towards your comments on Hubski ("hate speech")

- then used your first two notably self-centric assumptions to conclude that I was also calling you, directly, racist in that comment

- then tried to tell me that all these opinions you had given me were wrong

- right after the night before there'd been a very incendiary discussion that DID revolve around such opinions and in which I HAD disagreed with you and which in no way yielded a fruitful or positive discussion for any parties involved. (Do you disagree?)

In other words, to underline that last bullet, you got yourself offended and then you got all up in my business in the very same topic which had resulted in an very multi-person and very harmful argument the night before.

If you weren't trying to start an argument then maybe I am giving your awareness too much benefit of the doubt.

tla  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I see you've met.

_refugee_  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Paper mold, by the way. There's no way to get rid of it once it's started growing on an object. You see it in possessions taken out of flooded houses. One LP sleeve with paper on it will spread to and rot away an entire collection.

It's sad when you can't get a really nice record for $.50 because of paper mold.