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crafty  ·  3159 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pig wrestling: animal cruelty or human cruelty?

Thank you. I'm conflicted because, on one hand, I really enjoy cooking and eating meat, but on the other, the moral and environmental effects of meat production do give me pause. For the moral concerns, I like to pretend that I could hunt, kill and prepare a wild animal as prehistoric humans once did, but I know that is nowhere close to reality; our current relationship with "meat" is so far removed from nature it would be laughable if it weren't so sad. For the time being, I simply have to accept my cognitive dissonance on this issue and slowly work at it from the edges.





someguyfromcanada  ·  3159 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I completely agree with you and have struggled with this issue for a long time. I grew up hunting and fishing. Then I was opposed to hunting as I thought it was cruel. But the more I learned about industrialized food production the more I thought that hunting is the more humane way to go. I eat meat and I have to get it somehow. I know a lot of hunters and fishers and they all absolutely have conservationist tendencies and hate it whenever they make a mistake and an animal suffers.

I would recommend reading Michael Pollan's book The Omnivore's Dilemma if you are interested in thinking more about such choices.

crafty  ·  3159 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That looks like a very interesting book. I've seen the PBS adaptation of his previous book The Botany of Desire which was an absolutely fascinating documentary, so I'll definitely check that out.

I really would like to go hunting at some point, although not ever having operated more than a BB rifle and not knowing the first thing about hunting, I'm not sure where to start. I do have respect for people who hunt for food responsibly. I sort of feel like using a gun is cheating in a way, but then again, we did evolve big brains and complex tools for a reason. I might have a fighting chance to feed myself with a gun, but if I had to rely on persistence hunting like a true prehistoric human, I would certainly starve to death, or at least be a vegetarian if I was lucky!

someguyfromcanada  ·  3159 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In a perfect world I would personally grow and kill everything I eat. Probably more growing then hunting though.

Fun Fact: Michael Pollan is the brother of actress Tracy Pollan, who is married to Michael J. Fox.

edit: I just downloaded that book. Thanks for the recommendation.

roysexton  ·  3159 days ago  ·  link  ·  

yup, that's all you can do - I've been vegetarian for about 4 years now - it got much easier after a month or so, and now I don't even give it another thought

crafty  ·  3159 days ago  ·  link  ·  

For me, personally, I think I could adjust to a vegetarian diet, I do enjoy a wide variety of fruits, vegetables and grains, but my partner, he has a much more, lets say, limited palate when it comes to fruits and vegetables. Do you eat a lot of beans and nuts or like, what are your main food staples?

roysexton  ·  3158 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I eat a lot of tofu and the fake meats - my partner just likes veggies and gets all his protein that way - we eat out a lot, which is bad. I wish we cooked more at home

crafty  ·  3158 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think I've eaten tofu before, but I can't really remember, I don't think it left a strong impression on me. I can tell you right now though, my partner would not touch tofu with a ten foot pole, and to be perfectly honest, I don't really know why. I think he is a super-taster or something, but he is extremely picky, anything which is bitter or sour, or has a strange, unusual, or even slightly different texture elicits a, "hmm... yech.. nibble nibble what is this!?" and that's if I can even get him to try it in the first place. We mostly cook at home, but have a pretty limited diet of pasta, rice, potatoes, eggs, lots of dairy and cheese, broccoli, tomatoes, onions, corn occasionally, and chicken or pork, with some limited red meat, and fruits being mostly apples, strawberries, watermelons, plums or oranges depending on the season. I'll eat a much wider variety of veggies, but he won't touch any kind of beans or nuts.