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user-inactivated  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How do you know if something's worth of a tattoo?

Thank you!

You make a good point about styles. I'd never think about it on my own, but it's important as hell. I guess I had the idea that tattoo artists just do whatever the customer tells them to.

    Don't bring all your friends to watch

Do people really do that? Why would they want to turn it into a show (unless that's exactly the plan, and that I understand... somewhat)?

    Tip your artist well

What's that about? I thought I'm already paying him or her hefty for the work they do. I'm not familiar with tipping at all, for we don't have such a culture here - or I'm just an ignorant fellow. Should I tip as I pay?

    Don't be a dick.

Any specifics, outside of the general "treat people like you'd want to be treated yourself"?





TheVenerableCain  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, some people in America think that all their friends need to come see them get tattooed. Some people live in their own special bubble.

From your earlier post I assume you're in Russia. I'm across the pond, so if tipping isn't a cultural thing for you, you'd have to go in and speak with an artist or someone else that knows more about that in your area. Here, we still pay a pretty high price and tips aren't required, but if you feel that the artist did a particularly good job, something extra can go a long way to fostering a positive relationship as a client. I personally don't like tipping culture, but it is what it is and I'd rather dislike it on my own time and not be an asshole to the person receiving the tip.

Basically, just like you said, be a decent human being. You're going to potentially spend a lot of time with this person. It's going to be much more pleasant if both of you are amicable. If you need a break, take a break. Your artist is probably going to do the same, because their hand is going to get tired. Try not to disrupt them too much, if possible. You don't want to have to take a 5 minute break every 10 minutes.

Some additional tips

Bring in a basic sketch or even a printed out picture of what you want. Allow the artist to recreate or stylize the picture and look over it with you. Some people charge for the pictures and some don't. It's typically considered good etiquette, at least over here, to offer them some sort of compensation for their time and work, even if you don't end up getting body work done by them.

Artists typically have to rent space in the shop owner's building and pay a % of what they make on the tattoo, as well as buy their own supplies. This is why we end up tipping, because that money goes straight to the artist and the shop owner doesn't get a cut. If you get work done by the owner himself, just ask if he accepts tips or not. Again, not applicable if that's not in your culture.

If you make an appointment, stick to it. Cancelling really hurts the artist because they typically rent the space for the day to do work and have to pay the owner even if the client doesn't show.

user-inactivated  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks again. You advice has been very helpful. I'll do my best to keep it in mind! I might very well get a tattoo in the US when I have a chance to visit.

randomuser  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    What's that about? I thought I'm already paying him or her hefty for the work they do. I'm not familiar with tipping at all, for we don't have such a culture here - or I'm just an ignorant fellow. Should I tip as I pay?

You aren't paying him, you're paying the shop. As a tattoo artist a pretty standard is 50% do the shop to keep. You pay what you think the artist is worth plus the job. Depending on The size of the piece, every time you sit down to work on it. So if it's a $150 piece, probably tip $20-50, on a $3000 piece, tip a few hundred. That artist put a lot of wok into putting something permanent on your body. It isn't easy to do well either, it's a skill, and the machine sake a toll on your hand every time you do a tattoo.

user-inactivated  ·  3455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's as much as TheVenerableCain told in the comment somewhere around yours. You're certain that tips are very important, while I don't find it so - it's a cultural difference, I suppose. I'm not saying I shouldn't pay any extra for good work of any person, it's just that tipping sounds off to me. Odd, the idea of giving extra money for a job, no matter how good, when there's already a set price. There must be some other way to thank them and compensate for their time that I can't think of.

randomuser  ·  3455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I guess that as a tattoo artist, I have a different point of view. I charged $150 an hour for black and grey, and $200/h for color. I was the cheapest artist in my shop. But of that $150 I only got $75, and as a tattoo artist, you only get paid the hours you are actually tattooing. Which means if I worked a 12 hour day and only did an hour of actual tattooing, I made $75 for 12 hours. Which isn't very good at all.

I also ended up damaging the tendons in my hand because the vibrating, 1lb machine, isn't good for your hands, apparently.

I guess I was also just raised where you tip when you get good service/work because you appreciate the person that did that service for you. Because it is you giving money directly to them, not the business they work for.

I totally get the cultural difference on tipping though, I'm just trying to portray the other point of view.

user-inactivated  ·  3455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I see, and I appreciate that. I must let you know that, as an artist bringing people joy, you're doing a great work. Tattoos are a magical way of expressing oneself, and people who can do it deserve praise.

Since I am to try stuff out and you're the person I'm supposed to be asking, tell me: if I were to dedicate a day of my life to help you with anything in the shop - bringing the instrument, making a run for water or food, holding the stuff you need to hold so that you'd make a good picture etc. - would you appreciate it more than a 25% tip?

randomuser  ·  3455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't really do them anymore except maybe 2-3 a year for friends due to my hands being damaged by the machines, I get maybe 6-8 hours a sitting before my hand can't really do it anymore and cramps out.

    if I were to dedicate a day of my life to help you with anything in the shop - bringing the instrument, making a run for water or food, holding the stuff you need to hold so that you'd make a good picture etc. - would you appreciate it more than a 25%

This is actually generally what the apprentices are around for, lol. That is their way of paying for the skill training. Some assholes are actually charging people money to apprentice these days, it's pretty silly. But I would also say no, because the stuff you're helping out with is nice, but I can't pay my rent with it. You can't replace money with not money, the gesture is nice, but I mean, would you try to pay your lawyer by offering to file his paperwork?

user-inactivated  ·  3455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fair enough. Thanks for answering.