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shiranaihito  ·  1857 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Greece and eurozone reach agreement in bailout talks

    politicians can't just change their tune contrary to a pulic vote here

They can just ignore the Constitution though, whenever they think it's "necessary". Bradley Manning didn't get a fair trial for example.

The all-encompassing surveillance kind of flies in the face of the Constitution too.

So basically, you're placing way too much faith in laws, which is of course exactly what they want you to do.

But in reality, the only limit on what rulers can do, is what the masses let them. Can they monitor everyone without getting overthrown by force? Then they'll do it.

Can they brutalize OWS protesters without getting overthrown? They'll do it.

Can their thugs arbitrarily confiscate people's property when they feel like it? They'll do it.

"Governance" is an euphemism for enslavement.

Wintermute  ·  1855 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Here" in the quoted bit referred to California, not the United States. California's state government is severely hamstrung at times by state constitutional amendments passed by popular vote. See, for example, Prop 13.

shiranaihito  ·  1855 days ago  ·  link  ·  

California is part of the very same United States whose government ignores its Constitution whenever "necessary", though?

Wintermute  ·  1855 days ago  ·  link  ·  

... Yes, but that has nothing at all to do with my post?

shiranaihito  ·  1854 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't know what we're arguing about so I'll just stop :p