Nine theories of the multiverse promise everything and more. But if reality is so vast and varied, where do we fit in?
I hate to be that guy, but can someone give a TL;DR? I know this website encourages lengthy discussion, and I want to take part in that. I'm just not good with all the armchair theoretical physics stuff. I've read before that all the Schrodinger explanations that involve the cat being both alive and dead are bogus--that he even constructed the thought experiment to discredit those interpretations of quantum mechanics. Also, I've read that the multiverse theory itself--that there are an infinite number of universes, etc.--are also misunderstandings of the actual math behind quantum mechanics. Can someone with a degree weigh in here? Slight aside, if I add some hashtags here like #quantumphysics #physics #math does that help the search functionality? I don't see people adding hashtags in individual posts. I could see how some posts might drop in quality if it was just a string of tags. How does this work? I'm new to hubski.
I've heard a lot of these theories are bogus, and if someone knowledgeable enough about the math can comment on that. Is it bogus armchair physics or is there real math supporting the idea that there are multiple universes many much like ours?
Despite using quantum mechanics everyday as part of my research, I'm by no means an expert in fundamental issues surrounding the interpretations of quantum mechanics, such as the multiverse. These arguments and interpretations (I would agree with Mindwolf that these are not theories in the usual sense, more interpretations of the existing theories) are more philosophical in nature. The Many-Worlds interpretation dates back to Hugh Everett III (who, in an unrelated note is the father of the lead singer of the Eels) and his PhD thesis. I would say these things are still very much on the fringe of physics and not the conventional or common interpretation of quantum mechanics. I don't think the people mentioned in the article are bogus in any sense, and certainly not armchair physicists!
Bogus isn't a proper word to describe it. The fact is that they do not count as theories. They are hypothetical, meaning that they are a proposed answer to a perceived problem. Now granted there is a lot of fierce debate over them. And a lot of physicists have called them bogus, but not from a scientific standpoint. Have you checked out the Wikipedia entry on it? It has some good information though I don't know how TL;DR it is.
So they are hypothetical answers to problems being suggested by the math? What is the confidence level that we're understanding the math and that these theories are even likely?
Well they all fit the math. The problem is there is not enough that we know to completely flesh out the hypothesis. When you add to the fact that these concepts are not even testable yet adds further chaos. Testing is what verifies the math. When you can't test, you don't really have anything.
Why can't we test? What is stopping us from figuring out how to interact with parallel universe? If it isn't possible, why?
The simplest answer is, we don't know how. Don't forget, we just proved the Higgs Boson. And we had to build a GIGANTIC particle collider to do it. And what did we find out? More questions. The Standard Model calculated that the Higgs should be at energy level A. String Theory says level C. The LHC found it a level B. Right in between the two theories. Saying this is an ongoing process would be an understatement. It's also what makes it the most exciting IMHO.
Just to take you up on your comment about the Higgs bosons, what you say is not really correct. Firstly, as far as I am aware, the mass of the Higgs boson is completely compatible with predictions from the standard model. Secondly, I don't think string theory has any predictions to make about physics at energy scales being tested by the LHC, and certainly didn't have any concrete predictions for the mass of the Higgs (after all, one of the main problems of string theory is that there are many string theories and we have no idea which is the correct one, if indeed one is correct). Thirdly saying The Standard Model calculated that the Higgs should be at energy level A
is not really true. In the Standard Model, the various parameters (such as "bare" masses of the particles and "bare" interaction strengths) are input parameters which one plugs in by hand; there is no calculation directly of the masses (although one can compute corrections to the "bare" masses due to interaction in terms of the input parameters). What one can do is vary, say, the mass of the Higgs and see if one gets computed quantities compatible with the observation; it doesn't directly "calculate" the mass (sorry if this is a bit pedantic).
That's interesting. Do you have any links to youtube videos on the topic?
Check out a documentary called Particle Fever it chronicles the discovery of the Higgs.
This stuff is great. When I sit here and close my eyes and stretch my brain out to understand how vast the cosmos is, it really just takes the words out of me. We are so insignificant. My choices are insignificant on such a grand scale. On the macro-scale of this planet they're important, but taken in everything there is to see and do out there in space (if we could get there, if we had no cosmic speed limit to follow) . . . yikes. I'm pretty sure I'm an athiest, but when I put my mind way out there and take everything in, I start asking how. Why. WHY did the elementary particles end up aligning this way so that consciousness were possible. In multiple universes there are likely universes where the atoms and laws don't work together to create anything sustainable and they blink out before they're formed. So multiverses. Why and where. Why does the policosom manifest this way? Even if there IS something somewhere out there and the polycosom is something happening in a slide under a microscope, why them? It really makes me get all metaphysical. But the scientists are doing the right work--even if it's not solved during my lifetime, or my son's lifetime, this stuff is fascinating. I wish I understood the math so I didn't have to take their word for it. Back to reading Anathem--a great sci-fi book if you're into the multiverse theory.
wildfire405, in this, you think like me. Nice. I've got a highly visual brain that frequently goes on free-form exploration, I refer to it sometimes as my brain's sandbox, or playground, and in random moments geometry spirals outward, I ponder beyond the 3rd dimension, geometry, physics, interlocking layers, macro to micro... A recent fantasy: as the neurons are to the human brain, so are we in relation to the universe. Sum of parts, emergent growth, infinitely expanding consciousnesses, various stratifications of meaning, communication, various tapestry threads of sentience/consciousness on a universal, biological scale, shimmering dimensional planes a'la Flatland... (swoon)
I read a pretty cool online science fiction story called Fine Structure which touches on this. I'm halfway debating posting a main topic for it since I can't find one already, but describing it is difficult at best without spoiling it... I'll just pull a section from TVtropes' entry:
Don't let the first story throw you off. It'll come off as mostly nonsense (and it is, I think, or it just went WWAAYY over my head), but I had a friend of mine stop reading there because I couldn't persuade him that's the only section like that. Twenty Minutes into the Future, scientists have discovered a set of technologies that break the laws of physics as we know them, such as teleportation or other dimensions, as well as a list of the real laws of physics. Worryingly, the scientists studying these technologies are dying in mysterious "accidents". More worryingly, the laws of physics appear to be changing over time, in such a way that each newly discovered technology can only be used once.
I'm about 50 pages from the end. Fraa Jad is up to something. I need to know more about those Thousanders.
I found Seveneves at a thrift store and I'm dying to tear into it. I've got two books in front of it in line.