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DeadClassicalPoet  ·  3211 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: A Visit to Rubbin' Buttz BBQ for White Appreciation Day

I don't see it so much as a point oriented article, but more the sharing of impressions from an event. I don't want a theatre critic in long-form to have a point, more to give what the impression is.

With that said, I don't think that the idea of White Appreciation Day is the problem. I see it as that it was stated that every american is welcomed, every one is celebrated. But at the same time everything that doesn't fit the mould is under threat. The bathrooms are a very easy symbol for that. Meat and BBQ are masculine (There is the trope of "Man orders steak, woman orders salad") and so all the outside of the restaurant is geared in the masculine. The women's bathroom is a feminine space to the extreme. The feeling is that anything that doesn't fall into the easy boxes is just excluded. Add to that "everybody has a gun" and suddenly the fear becomes close to panic. And as for the books mentioned, I see it less white guilt and more to remember that there are others. That the ethos of all inclusivity doesn't really work.

This are my impressions of reading. Nothing states that they are right. They are fueled by own experiences as a non-white, non-citizen US resident. I might be reading a bit too much into this.

I know Casper as the smiling white person.





TheVenerableCain  ·  3210 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for your perspective and clearing some things up for me. I think I have a better understanding of her experience.

  
Let me know if I'm incorrect in any way.

  
+ The women's restroom is a stark contrast to the rest of the restaurant - the writer feels that they are trying too hard to counter balance the masculine feel of the rest of the building by diving deep into stereotypical feminine decor.

  
+ She is afraid of guns. I'm interested in that since she says she grew up in rural America, I think?

  
+ Flash your Caspers = smiling. I've never heard that expression before, but I understand now, maybe.

  
I can't remember the last time I thought of food as masculine or feminine. Maybe that's just me. I do sort of recall the trope from TV shows or something of that nature. I always viewed those kinds of BBQ joints a representation of a southern American family gathering, where everything is on paper plates and even grandma is eating with her hands.

  
I don't necessarily believe that he needs to be all-inclusive. There are plenty of places that cater to a specific audience. It's not that he's excluding anyone, but celebrating a certain group for a day. Plenty of other groups do the same and don't feel the need to then "balance" their activities by reading some white supremacy books. I think I'm really thinking about this for much more than what the author intended. Sorry if it comes off as douchey.
DeadClassicalPoet  ·  3210 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I will first start by saying that I can only speak about my experiences (which are very limited in scope and do not match the author's at all).

- Gun culture in the US is weird. I grew up with people carrying rifles on their back to almost every place. The main difference is the concealed carry aspect. The entire concept just makes everything suspect, you do not know where it will come from. It seems to me like the scene from Dr. Strangelove - what is the point of having a doomsday device if no one knows about it. The idea that you are safe because everyone around you might have a gun is just odd to me - I am not saying there is more danger, but I am sure as hell don't feel safer.

- As for food and gender, I don't see it as a "trying too hard" more as claiming that this is the way things are. The restaurant with its meat culture is masculine, the women's bathroom is feminine. This is the way things are and that should not be changed. Anything that might call that into question is not allowed. And I don't think you need to think of food of masculine or feminine, however the marketing departments still view food as a very gendered subject. This is vegan cookbook image search - most of the people on covers are women. On the other hand this is BBQ cookbook image search women became slightly harder to find. And I admit that for me BBQ won't go to the American Southern family gathering, since I am not one.

And as for inclusivity, I agree that inclusivity is not the be-all and end-all. I think that the idea for something for everybody comes along a lot of times with nothing for anybody. I agree that that he doesn't need to be all-inclusive, but that is the way he tells it. And Again talking from my own experience, passing as white, lead me to encounters where I look like I am included, but in actuality I am terrified for my life. I am not saying that it all needs to be balance out, but being in the wrong place is panic inducing.

Edit: I spend most of my time in academia, so I wouldn't worry about thinking it too much. Most people I meet do that on as a living. Everything deserve to be over-thought.