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pingbear  ·  3458 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: If this is the beginning of the end for Reddit, then Reddit deserves to die

Bit of a dumb article, no?

First, the people leaving reddit are shitlords who want to harass people. Trolls, basically. Reddit is banning trolls, not everyone. So to say that reddit is going to collapse because they're clearing out the dross is a bit silly.

Second, Reddit's troll base is made up of individuals. Where do you think those individuals will go if they choose to leave Reddit? From one perspective, 'Reddit' isn't going to die because 'Reddit' is middle-class 15-25 white male America. From another, we now have a swarm of angry trolls looking for somewhere to fight for the First Amendment rights. They'll just set up shop somewhere else and start their self-validating circlejerks there. Voat won't do it because - if the admins have any sense - they'll make it untenable for Reddit to set up there by not upgrading their server requirements to cope. The Reddit exodus will then move on. Hubski has better infrastructure to cope so is at greater risk.

I don't think many of you will disagree with the use of the word 'risk' there.





kleinbl00  ·  3458 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    First, the people leaving reddit are shitlords who want to harass people.

Most people who leave Reddit in dust-ups like this are the ones disheartened by the community. It isn't so much a "I demand my free speech" crowd as a "I don't want to be associated with these vile chuckleheads" crowd, particularly as the most vocal users of Reddit during any controversy tend to be the ones most "oppressed."

The trolls aren't leaving Reddit, they're demonstrating (quite amply) that Reddit can't do anything about them. It's the ones that don't want to put up with the hassle of a troll war that leave.

pingbear  ·  3458 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I disagree. In this instance the ones who are angry enough to leave aren't those disaffected by the hivemind. This is happening as a result of banning and shadowbanning a lot of users. There's a lot of wack-a-mole. They've tried going hydra on subreddit creation and been shut down as soon as their posts appear on /r/al/new, they've tried invading other sites, they'll soon - in my view - turn on the circlejerk/SRD crowd having a good laugh at their expense. But ultimately they'll leave.

This isn't a case of reasonable heads drifting away because of shitty behaviour, this is people leaving as a result of being banned for shitty behaviour.

Normally people leave in search of better content. In this instance people are leaving looking for a platform. The difference is obvious.

kleinbl00  ·  3458 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You are mistaken. The angry ones are mostly staying. Have you modmail to check? A default sub to maintain? And when I check /r/all, what I see is a bunch of scrambling to quell the rebellion.

There's no good way to have this discussion without it turning into a dick measuring contest so I'll simply say this: I don't see what you see and you don't see what I see.

Gilgamesh  ·  3458 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It'll take a rather more significant change than this, I think, to actually give a significant number of those people the impetus they need to stop threatening departure for the sake of histrionics, and actually commit to it.

pingbear  ·  3458 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There were 150,000 users on /r/fatpeoplehate. Of course there will be a large enough group to sustain a lot of anger while the rest filter off.

erogllirht  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I hope for the sake and sanctity of all that's good in the world Voat takes as much of Reddit's nastier users so they don't pollute the rest of the internet and every other site aiming to take away reddit's traffic. The containment site would do us all a lot of good.

user-inactivated  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The shitlords tend to stay and mess with the place. Digg had the same thing happen. People like me that just want ta place to hang out and post once in a while when the topic is interesting bail when nonsense like this happens. /r/all is disgusting right now. Do I as a (granted self identified) normal person want to be a part of that? Hell no.

They could have used this announcement to ban so many truly vile places, yet they chose this one. They could have banned /r/picsofdeadkids or /r/cutefemalecorpses or /r/spacedicks and this shitstorm would not have happened.

I left reddit when the whole /r/jailbait thing went down what? three years ago now? Damn time flies on the internet. I left not to defend creepy people posting borderline kiddie porn, but the attitude of the admins who one day say "FREE SPEECH!" and the next day lose their spines when a reporter writes a story about the consequences of that philosophy.

Reddit is looking for a buyer to cash out. This is my hypothesis anyway. This is the sanitation scrub before someone like Newscorp buys it and turns it into nothing but ad space.