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coffeesp00ns  ·  3537 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: My Verdict on Gender Bias in the Workplace

As always, don't read the comments unless you want to see some serious gems of cognitive dissonance.

    If women want to earn what men earn, they should do what men do.

    Let's see them in dirty, dangerous, but typically better-paying jobs. Let's see them put in 50 or 60 or 90 hours a week instead of 32.

    The "pay gap" is of their own choosing.

    There's a pay gap between Wall Street bankers and myself, therefore, I want that "unfair" gap closed.

    I don't make as much as a surgeon, there's another "pay gap", etc.

    There is no "pay gap" among men and women in the same field with the same experience.

    Going by your (il)logic; McDonald's workers can complain about the pay gap between them and white-collar workers.

All in a conversation about pay gap between men and women IN THE SAME JOB, NOT DIFFERENT JOBS.

FUCK.

I see this post as interesting, and containing a few tidbits i hadn't seen before, but getting the conversation around gender equality exactly nowhere. This is especially true of its ending section, which infers that close enough to equality is good enough, and I can't really agree. As someone who has, in some ways, seen life from "both sides", my personal observation is that the bias against female presenting people is amazingly easy to see if you're looking for it, and even easier to see when you're living it.





caelum19  ·  3537 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I see this post as interesting, and containing a few tidbits i hadn't seen before, but getting the conversation around gender equality exactly nowhere.
I agree that it is not much new to those of us with average hubski levels of intelligence, or anyone with a lot of knowledge on the topic. But it's a good tl;dr( apart from the bit where he implies feminism has done everything it can) for people to read something from a less biased angle before they make their minds up and start spewing crap all over social media.
    As someone who has, in some ways, seen life from "both sides", my personal observation is that the bias against female presenting people is amazingly easy to see if you're looking for it, and even easier to see when you're living it.
Do you mean in the workplace or in general? if you feel like sharing I'd love to hear your story.

    But I also say maybe it is time to stop fighting the last war and adjust your strategy to reflect the reality in 2015.
It's hard to tell what he means by this. Maybe he is talking about issues outside the work place or the huge mess that is Saudi Arabia and similar countries? It would be great if he was on Hubski.