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TheGreatAbider16  ·  3408 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Fuck resolutions, what are you watching?

    I don't need media to make me feel bad.

I used to be such a big fan of movies, music, TV shows that made me "feel bad," but it seems like I just can't stomach it much anymore. I know what reality is like, and I'm pretty empathetic. Movies like that can just be too much! I saw Selma because my girlfriend really wanted to. It was a well-done film, but I too walked out of the theater feeling abused.





_refugee_  ·  3408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There were honestly times when I kind of was thinking about walking out of the theater, but then I figured that black people had actually lived through this awful reality and persevered, and the least thing I could do was respect their struggle by watching all of it. I mean, I was already there, walking out seemed like it would just allow me to deny some of the horror I was seeing.

Dr Who I straight quit because of the emotional manipulation, though.

I mean, I think Selma, and its audiences' reactions to it, can open some interesting conversations about race, white privilege and guilt, and so on. I commented to my friend that "they come out with a movie about overcoming racism in some way every year so that white people can watch it, be upset, walk out of the movie theater and say 'Whew! Glad that's over!" and you know what, for some people, I think it does do that. I think some white people watch Selma and The Help and they're like "Well that was awful! That was truly, truly awful! Thank god it's not like that any more!" or, if it's a movie where a white protagonist "saves" or "helps save" the oppressed blacks, the white audience can in some way feel redeemed by this.

I also feel like it's very important to be aware of exactly how awful black people have been treated by white Americans in our (rather recent) history. Theoretically, movies like this can help educate people who may not be aware of exactly how awful it was. They also can help give white folks a perspective into what daily life at least has been like for blacks. In that way, I think they can be valuable watching.

However, a part of me definitely feels like, I didn't need to see that. I am aware of the struggle for equal rights and treatments that minorities have gone through and still go through. I try and stand up and speak up against racism, sexism, etc, when I see it. Part of me feels privileged for even feeling like, I didn't need to see Selma. I didn't need to see it? Who am I to say I didn't need to see what real people had to live through, not for 1.5 hours once, but every day for their entire lives?

But then it brings to mind a Hubski conversation I had about inherent white privilege and how in my experience white people get "assumed innocent" and get away with a lot of crimes when minorities never are afforded this benefit of the doubt. I saw an article about this in NYC too, I'll see if i can find it. Another user disagreed with me about this phenomenon but did say something that struck with me which is it is not my duty to throw myself under the bus, to fuck myself over, simply because I enjoy privileges others don't. Which I agree. I am no good, to myself, to society, or to the causes I support, if I allow the system to beat me up simply because it beats up others and I disagree with that violence.

So you totally didn't expect this but I think I needed to rant about Selma. Sorry :)

TheGreatAbider16  ·  3408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I think some white people watch Selma and The Help and they're like "Well that was awful! That was truly, truly awful! Thank god it's not like that any more!"

I agree completely. Movies like that are great, but I often think more white people should be exposed to films that force them (us, in my case) to face the present situation of racial divisions in American and say, "Well shit. Things might be better, but they certainly aren't great, and maybe I should be doing a little more about that." Because, you're right, it's too easy to have that ridiculous "Good thing we aren't racist anymore" mentality. But usually the movies that shed light on the current problems are things like documentaries, and don't get as much attention. I'm thinking of films like The House I live in, which isn't strictly about race, but certainly has a lot to do with it. I can't think of other examples right now.

    So you totally didn't expect this but I think I needed to rant about Selma. Sorry :)
No problem of course! These are great conversations to be having!

I'm interested in the conversation that ended in

    it is not my duty to throw myself under the bus, to fuck myself over, simply because I enjoy privileges others don't. Which I agree. I am no good, to myself, to society, or to the causes I support, if I allow the system to beat me up simply because it beats up others and I disagree with that violence.
I'm interested in white privilege and white guilt. I try to be as educated and aware of racial issues and systematic oppression and racism today as I can be without investing huge amounts of time into reading and learning about it. I want to understand how I fit into the puzzle. I know I benefit hugely from white privilege, and surely I have played a part in subtle prejudices that pervade our society. So I take strides to change those things about myself, but I always end up feeling like, "There's so much to be done, and surely white people have a huge role to play in the doing, but what part of this fight is our fight?" I have a few black acquaintances who spend much of their time engaged in dialogues and activities centered on race in America, and they are very, very opinionated and passionate about what white people should and shouldn't say or do, what aspects of the battle white Americans have a right to participate in, etc. And I'm intimidated as hell by them, because I certainly don't want to piss people off or seem like an ignorant, offensive white guy sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, or asking questions that I'll get bit for, but I also want to be part of the solution. White guilt is a weird and complicated thing. I may have just talked in circles.
user-inactivated  ·  3408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

On the last bit, I think being aware of being able to overstep your bounds is enough sometimes. I went to an environmental conference called "power shift" last year in pittsburgh. Most of the workshops I chose to go to were about the socio-economic issues that go along with the negative impact of environmental damage; all forms of urban waste disposal are exclusively placed in lower income areas, respiratory disorders are consistently higher in these areas due to the methods of waste disposal and that coal burning power plants and factories are zoned next to these areas. There was another concerning the displacement of native people in Alaska and Canada by fracking. The workshop that had the biggest impact on me though was one in which a panel that had worked to revitalize several through the building of coo unity center like urban garden and youth centers as well as solar gardens to aid residents in lower utility prices. The panel was a mixture of community leaders, who were POC, and outside activists who had come to help with the changes to theses neighborhoods, some white some not. In the discussion with those in attendance problem of privilege and trying to help a community or cause as an outsider came up. The gave the safe answer they gave was that one who is unaffected by the strive can only help in a positive way by helping to facilitate change in the direction the community has decided.

After typing that out I don't know how much it relates to what you said but when I heard it it helped me find the line between wanting to help and speaking on something I haven't experienced.

user-inactivated  ·  3408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Double post, I've also been watching the killing which is 4/10 don't know if I'll watch the second season.