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user-inactivated  ·  3760 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Darron Wilson not indicted

    And we haven't started talking about the 12 year old that got shot for having a BB gun in Ohio. GUESS WHAT HIS SKIN COLOR WAS, FLAG.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/cleveland-shot-boy/19471925/

    Tomba said one officer fired twice after the boy pulled the fake weapon from his waistband but had not pointed it at police. The boy did not make any verbal threats, but he grabbed the replica handgun after being told to raise his hands, Tomba said.

    Williams said the "airsoft"-type pellet gun lacked the orange safety tip required at the time of sale and was indistinguishable from a real semiautomatic pistol.

I'm not gonna pretend his skin color had nothing to do with this (latent, societal racism would point to the idea that if a little white kid had pulled out the same bb gun, the officer might have hesitated more). But what had far more to do with it was the fact that he had an (illegal) bb gun, without a safety thingy, and he was ignoring a police order. If you feel like blaming someone, which is reasonable, blame the fucking people who buy these things for their children, or blame the companies that profit by making the bb guns look exactly like real guns minus an orange dot.

    People made up their minds in advance because it's the same fucking thing every time

No, they made up their minds in advance because they're people. Our brains aren't wired for impartiality, or to assimilate ideas that we don't agree with. I'm still not entirely sure what happened that night with Brown and Wilson, and I'll never know, so I'm gonna go with the opinion of the 12 jurors who have seen the most evidence. Until something convinces me otherwise.





tehstone  ·  3759 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think a police officer, who has a considerable amount of training, and has sworn to protect the people and uphold the law, even when it puts their life in danger should take more than a split second to make a decision when faced with a 12 year old with a gun.

As an analogy, we go to great lengths to ensure that those who face the death penalty are absolutely guilty, with the ideal that 100 guilty are set free before 1 innocent are put to death. But then we have cops pulling the trigger at the drop of a hat, rarely facing ANY significant consequences. Shouldn't they take at least a tiny bit longer to determine the threat level before shooting to defend themselves, when THEY are the ones who chose to put their lives in danger to uphold the law?

ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A TWELVE YEAR OLD.

user-inactivated  ·  3759 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You know that's a bad analogy, though.

    But then we have cops pulling the trigger at the drop of a hat, rarely facing ANY significant consequences.

The potential consequence in this particular instance is being shot, if he's wrong about the 12 year old. And 12 year olds come in all shapes and sizes, it hardly needs to be said, and can of course use small firearms as well as anyone, ceteris paribus.

    I think a police officer, who has a considerable amount of training, and has sworn to protect the people and uphold the law, even when it puts their life in danger should take more than a split second to make a decision when faced with a 12 year old with a gun.

I agree. But I do not criticize (in shades of grey situations such as that one) because I've never been there. I've never had less than a second to figure out if someone was going to shoot me or not. I have no idea what I'd do, so in the interest of avoiding hypocrisy I attempt to be as fair as possible.

tehstone  ·  3759 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How about this then?

If a firefighter's sole intention is self preservation, they're not going to run into burning buildings to save others are they? They signed up, and went through hundreds of hours of difficult training in order to put themselves in danger for the benefit of others. Do police officers not do the same? Should they not put the lives of others before themselves as well?

user-inactivated  ·  3759 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Should they not put the lives of others before themselves as well?

The lives of the innocent, yes (in my opinion). The lives of people who might be innocent or might be pointing guns at them, and they have to determine which is true in a split second? Hmm. Ideally they make the right choice, but I don't think I could do it with any amount of training.

Firemen go into each situation knowing whose side they're on, and that never changes. A lot easier mentally, though probably just as dangerous physically.

bioemerl  ·  3759 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Firefighters take every possible precaution to help and ensure they stay safe, all before going in to protect others.

If a firefighter thinks they are in significant danger, they likely won't be going into the building.