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kleinbl00  ·  3684 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Wearable tech needs to find a genre-defining product | Digital Trends

The thing about jewelry is that if everybody's wearing it it becomes a uniform, not a bangle. That's the thing about iPhones - you can customize them with cases. AWatches? The band's what you get. The rest of it is software - an intangible that doesn't cost anything to sport. Apple isn't making jewelry, they're making tech gadgets that they hope aren't too ugly to forestall adoption.

And the thing about Apple Pay is it requires large-scale rollout to, well, all of retail. Yeah, they've got it at Whole Foods. Yeah, they've got it at Wells Fargo. Those outfits that have smart card readers can flip to Apple Pay pretty easily, but I don't see those much and I'm in urban Los Angeles. Apple Pay works if you shop primarily at Fortune 100 retailers, otherwise it's just another thing. So now instead of just whipping out your card, you have to know what implement you're using to use your money, rather than just what bank account.

I dunno. I remain unconvinced. Square permits just about anybody to take credit cards pretty painlessly and the penetration of Square amongst small businesses is chequered at best.





ecib  ·  3683 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The thing about jewelry is that if everybody's wearing it it becomes a uniform, not a bangle. That's the thing about iPhones - you can customize them with cases. AWatches? The band's what you get.

You don't think Apple's watch bands don't stand as customization and an accessory better than an iPhone case? I'm reaaaaaly not so sure about that. In the wake of the watch's announcement, when you leave the sphere of the tech press and travel into watch-world, I've seen an inordinate amount of buzz about the bands specifically. About how desirable they are, how amazingly the are tooled and crafted, and how they put a lot of what is coming out of Switzerland look "amateurish".

Check out the section in this review on the bands in particular: http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hodinkee-apple-watch-review

This is from one of the most famous watch blogs out there, and they're basically saying not only does the band on the watch stand out, it stands out in the word of wrist watches. Period.

    nd the thing about Apple Pay is it requires large-scale rollout to, well, all of retail. Yeah, they've got it at Whole Foods. Yeah, they've got it at Wells Fargo. Those outfits that have smart card readers can flip to Apple Pay pretty easily, but I don't see those much and I'm in urban Los Angeles...

It's coming. October 2015 is the deadline, and as retailers upgrade for this, they'll be upgrading to NFC en masse: http://www.tsys.com/acquiring/engage/white-papers/EMV-Preparing-for-Changes-to-the-Retail-Payment-Process.cfm

    I dunno. I remain unconvinced. Square permits just about anybody to take credit cards pretty painlessly and the penetration of Square amongst small businesses is chequered at best.

I can't speak to this, but I can speculate that Square suffered by coming up with an idea that wasn't defensible, and the big players copied it and marched right in to compete on cost. My wife uses this plugged into an iPad at her store to process payments. It's just Square. But cheaper. Cheaper than a traditional payment terminal as well (her old one is collecting dust in the back room). And oh yeah, it integrates with her Quickbooks. I think Square had an early innovative lead with mobile sellers (art fairs, contractors, etc) but others have now caught up. Another reason Square (and Intuit GoPayment and similar mobile processors) kinda sucks is that it...kinda sucks. It just isn't robust at all and offers poor integration with accounting software and weak reporting. It's been getting better, but if you're doing anything more than pickling beets at the farmers market or running a one store boutique, it's just dead to you. That market just isn't where the money is in payments processing, -you actually want to be Apple Pay focused on the Fortune 100. I think I read recently that Square's failure to capture larger retailers was leading to their growth stumbling, and less than a year ago they were actively shopping to be acquired (according to the tech rumor mill). That didn't happen, and now they're looking to raise another round of VC.

kleinbl00  ·  3683 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We'll have to agree to disagree.

1) I haven't heard the apple watch discussed at all outside of the techosphere. It's a test-pattern. Nobody I've met wants one. The Hodinkee blog is from when the watch was brand spanking new - it's essentially speculation. There's no real world test as of yet.

2) It's also possible that Square didn't dominate for the same reason Nike plus didn't dominate: there isn't that much need for the product. My wife's been using a Square for three or four years now and it only comes up rarely. She also takes checks, cash and paypal.

3) Regardless of whether or not Square "sucks", the investment cost to get into it is zero. They charge you $10 at Kinko's and refund you $11. They ship new ones at random - we've got three of them sitting around the house. And they'll take a Centurion card so it's not like they're inadequate.

You've listed reasons they could succeed, not reasons they will succeed. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

ecib  ·  3683 days ago  ·  link  ·  

For sure, I don't want to be too far on the side of saying it will be a hit...I'm just saying I could see it. Much more than any other wearable so far. But ultimately, do you really need what wearables can do for you atm? Meh.

Regarding Square, yeah, I think so. Their market just isn't that massive. What does your wife do? I don't see too many people taking checks. My wife doesn't even take them in her store (exceptions for customers she knows well).

kleinbl00  ·  3683 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Midwife. Her services are paid for in multiple four-figure installments. Checks are actually comforting for most people.

but yeah. That's how we know it'll take a centurion card.

ecib  ·  3682 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ah, that actually makes perfect sense. Professions that still get paid in personal checks for $200 please, Alex.