I think we should give much more credit to the reality of our thoughts and emotions creating reality. Subjective arguments are just as valid ob objective ones in any conversation.
Oh yeah man, for sure. I'm all for discussions of consciousness and how we perceive reality. They are of course incredibly powerful experiences and we should always be exploring how our own minds work and our reactions to the world. All I'm suggesting is that for such a substantial issue such as this, one should have incisive argument that rests on more than emotional basis.
Emotional arguments do not get resolved. If we do not work from facts and instead work from how each of us feels, then the more emotive person wins... or closes the discussion. At this point, I want to lock the doors on this anger festival. We're all pissed off, and we keep needing to type more to unravel that. The more we post here, the more popular this thread looks. However it's the least productive thread, least Hubski-like thread.