Thanks lil I appreciate the constructive reply.

Suicide wouldn't even cross my mind as a suggestion for those who suffer from depression due to feeling subjugated. It feels incredibly brutal and heartless. Is the social order so rigid and are we so excluding that we can't come up with a compromise order that supports everyone instead of creating divide, inequality and showing the door to those who just don't fit in?

I've been aware of the moneyless man, Mark Boyle for a while. Thanks for reminding me. I like his way of thinking and perhaps this is the plunge that one must take to be free of the pressures of the modern economic society. In his year without money, he does become a sort of outcast though. Living in a little caravan on someone else's land and out of the goodwill of many people. Again, I was hoping more for a systemic change that is supportive instead of exploitative and excluding as soon as you can't handle it.

Ultimately, it depends on how you define "the system" and what parts of the system you want to leave. Do you want to leave libraries? Do you want to leave the world wide web? These are all parts of the system, created by people in jobs who pay taxes.

Of course we need all the social services and technological advances. I have never hinted to renouncing where we're at today. As I mentioned to someone else already, I'm simply questioning the methods and incentives of the system.

No one knows the answers to the questions you ask. Large-scale change in the direction of goodness is so glacially slow.

Absolutely, if there were straight answers I don't think this thread would have started : ) But once in while, I think it's healthy to stop and question why are we doing the things we do. If we had the opportunity to start a civilization from scratch is this the setup we'd come up with? Is this the best there could ever be? This is what I'm interest in, because from looking around me it feels like the monetary system is great at creating wealth for a few at the expense of grief for many. And this surely can't be the best that we can come up with.

I think the Occupy movement was on the right track.

I agree. I followed this closely and watched it being crushed with police brutality. This is how unhappy people are treated, you either shut up and play ball or you get crushed. No wonder people fall in despair and depression when they see what happens to alternative ideas.

Thanks for the link. I read this is our one demand. Definitely a good starting point even if some of the demands are a bit vague on how they could be achieved. The fact that people are thinking and searching for answers is encouraging. Perhaps this is what's needed, an official Ministry of Change to address the concerns of the disillusioned and overtime come with legislation to integrate them? I'm sure many will let me know with many examples of why this is a silly idea. I welcome any other inclusive suggestions. Thank you for engaging.