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BLOB_CASTLE  ·  3780 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: "Does jazz put the sin in syncopation?" [1921]

I wonder who paid those scientists.

It's interesting to see how vehement they were about an emphasis on syncopation. But I can understand their distress by noticing the difference between ballroom dancing and lindy hopping. Even though the lindy hop hit it's peak about two decades after the article, I'm sure the dancing wasn't too far off.

What I think if extremely interesting in the progression of jazz is how there's been less emphasis on syncopated rhythms and a much stronger focus on harmony. Yes, while Jelly Roll was more harmonically complex than music before it, it's nowhere near as intricate as, say, Brad Mehldau's newest stuff. Although syncopation still plays a large role, it's just moved to the background I think.





galen  ·  3779 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I feel like syncopation was sort of taken over by funk music, to the point that you might even see some New Orleans jazz labelled as funk. So maybe it's not so much syncopation disappearing from jazz as it breaking away.

You'll also note that Jelly Rolls's classic definition of jazz contains no mention of syncopation:

    A lot of people have a wrong conception of jazz. Somehow it got into the dictionary that jazz was considered a lot of blatant noises and discordant tones. Jazz music is to be played sweet, soft, plenty rhythm. When you have your plenty rhythm with your plenty swing, it becomes beautiful.
BLOB_CASTLE  ·  3779 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I feel like syncopation was sort of taken over by funk music, to the point that you might even see some New Orleans jazz labelled as funk.
I wonder if this is a good or a bad thing...

Is that how he himself defined jazz? If so, I find that a bit strange considering how prominent syncopation is in his music.

galen  ·  3779 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That definition is his, yeah. But it's possible he just intended to hint at syncopation with phrases like "plenty rhythm".

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  3777 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah that would make sense. I imagine "syncopation" was coined much later.

user-inactivated  ·  3780 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, to me, Maria Schneider epitomizes the direction that a lot of jazz is headed: contrapuntal, lush, orchestral.

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  3780 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You know, I don't know that I've heard much of her stuff. Is there an album you recommend?