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user-inactivated  ·  1555 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hubski Update: This time it's personal

    Given that less than 10% of posts were given community tags and you can still offer up 2 tags at time of post, honestly in this regard, not much has changed. I realize that the second tag can be changed by the community, but unless that number increases (which it may) I don't think you'll find much of a difference.

I can see one of two things happening.

If community tags increase in popularity, then people will have to post their initial tags with the idea of, hmm, which of these tags am I willing to sacrifice?

That, or community tags will decrease in popularity as a result of this feature, because people will feel they are infringing on the submitter's original choice in tags.

Before, when you posted you weren't affecting the original post at all, now you can directly screw with people. Vindictive users could abuse this, bots could abuse this, etc.




thenewgreen  ·  1555 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I can see one of two things happening.
there are any number of things, anticipated and unanticipated, that could come from this. I'm excited to see what those things are. Kick the tires, have an open mind about it and please keep sharing your feedback. It's imperative.

    Vindictive users could abuse this, bots could abuse this, etc.

Keep in mind that you yourself only just got the ability to add a community tag. Bots will not have an easy time gaining this ability. Vindictive users are usually vindictive in all aspects of their use and easily identified and filtered.

user-inactivated  ·  1555 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Keep in mind that you yourself only just got the ability to add a community tag. Bots will not have an easy time gaining this ability. Vindictive users are usually vindictive in all aspects of their use and easily identified and filtered.

Filtering is not an option in this case, though.

So let's say I decide to create a bot or even just a separate account to screw with people's tags. All I have to do is post a bit and get one hubwheel (like I just did), and then I can use this account forever.

Because you are saying using filtering is how you will prevent people from doing this, that is on a user level. Users don't know what community tags are suggested or voted on at all, so they won't know who to filter if the vandals just compartmentalize multiple accounts.

So I can go right now into #blog for instance and just strip off everyone's community tag and randomize the tags to be completely off-topic, and now the only valid tag they have is their #blog tag. The only way to trace who did this would be for admins to get involved, which I was under the impression that your designs were to give the users control over moderation.

Yes, the community can go in and fix all that, but if it were an automated process or just something someone spent a little bit of time on each day, would you want all your users to do this? They'd have to fix every single post every single time. Plus, it wouldn't be that tag that the poster chose, it would be exclusively a community tag at that point (hence, why I said you essentially got rid of the second tag).

Do you as full-time job possessing admins also want to go around policing the site to figure out who these users are?

This is mostly vandalism and juvenile, but we're talking about internet users here :)

thenewgreen  ·  1555 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    So let's say I decide to create a bot or even just a separate account to screw with people's tags. All I have to do is post a bit and get one hubwheel (like I just did), and then I can use this account forever.
mk can the globally ignored add comm tags as is? I know we've never had a bot/spammer take the time to gain the ability to add one, but on the off chance they do, could they if they're globally ignored?

    Because you are saying using filtering is how you will prevent people from doing this, that is on a user level. Users don't know what community tags are suggested or voted on at all, so they won't know who to filter if the vandals just compartmentalize multiple accounts.
it's a valid concern, for sure. In the past we toyed with the idea of the comm tags showing who suggested them. Perhaps that's worth considering again? It's a potential problem that should be thought on though, I agree.

    Do you as full-time job possessing admins also want to go around policing the site to figure out who these users are?
even if I didn't have a full time job, I don't want this. Not ever. We want to leave as much moderation as we possibly can in your collective hands.
    This is mostly vandalism and juvenile, but we're talking about internet users here :)
-I agree, it's worth being out in front of such things.

Written on phone. Please excuse typos.