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    “ISPs may not act in a commercially unreasonable manner to harm the Internet, including favoring the traffic from an affiliated entity.”

Does this imply that they can harm it in a reasonable manner?





OftenBen  ·  2033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It means you can interpret it however you want and pay a fine if someone cries foul.

mk  ·  2033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Exactly. That fact that they use the term 'unreasonable' speaks volumes.

    The agency promised that after it hears public comments over the summer, it will come up with more specific guidelines on what it views as “unreasonable” practices by Internet service providers.

The point of net neutrality is that bandwidth is service agnostic for the great value to society that such an approach provides. Any preferential appropriation and throttling of bandwidth is unreasonable because capital is not the determinant by which we want to value what passes on those networks.

Money is something that is associated with value, but its success as a proxy for value varies greatly. Sometimes supply and demand economics encourages behavior that you want to avoid. The value of net neutrality is akin to the value of basic research: you cannot get return without an investment, but the specific appropriation of that investment will guarantee less return when compared to a general funding approach. This is because the best return on investment comes from supporting a competitive ecosystem from the outside. We cannot pick the most valuable evolution of the ecosystem and simply fund that path, because it is unknowable.

What is the functional difference between State-owned monopolies and monopolies that own the State?

OftenBen  ·  2033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    What is the functional difference between State-owned monopolies and monopolies that own the State?

I know I sound like a broken record, but torch and pitchfork time?

rob05c  ·  2033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is the classic catch-22 of the Proles of 1984. No revolution can succeed without the support of the working class. But the working class will never revolt while they have bread and circuses.

In this particular instance, the internet is being destroyed as a communication medium and transformed into a distribution medium for large corporations. But the working class will continue to get their Netflix and Cable TV. Why should they care?

We care. But there aren't enough of us.

mk  ·  2033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's no chance of that because, by and large, most Americans don't realize they have skin in this game. In fact, the majority of Americans believe that CNN, MSNBC, and/or FoxNews are genuine news outlets.

The current system has become insulated by the consolidation of media and the formulaic sanitation of political discourse. This Net Neutrality debate is a case in point. It has been oversimplified and framed as a debate between socialist and free-market economics, when in fact, monopolies like these ISPs have such leverage on the legislative (and in turn, executive and judicial) processes, that neither a benevolent government nor a free market can hope to be found within their sphere of influence.

As long as the majority are having the debates they want us to have, no one is going to be grabbing a pitchfork.

OftenBen  ·  2033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    As long as the majority are having the debates they want us to have, no one is going to be grabbing a pitchfork.

There's a part of me that understands certain brands of eco-terrorism now.

mk  ·  2033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I understand the sentiment, but believe that such frame-breaking or consciousness-raising actions do harm to people that lack power, and can often play into the narrative of those in power instead of breaking it.

IMHO if you are trying to dispel an illusion, you've got to provide something of value in its place. If you can succeed in that, you not only can win people over, but create new agents of change.

rob05c  ·  2033 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    to dispel an illusion, you've got to provide something of value in its place

Does this apply to the attacks on Net Neutrality? Is there a thing of value we can provide to win people over to Net Neutrality?

mk  ·  2032 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I highly doubt it. It's not on most people's radar. I was speaking more broadly, and about strategies for long term change.