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user-inactivated  ·  3972 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Justice Scalia's Past Comes Back To Haunt Him On Birth Control

From the linked article about the two cases:

    The first case the court will take up is Sebelius v. Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. The second is Sebelius v. Conestoga Wood Specialties Corp. The Supreme Court consolidated the cases and allotted a total of one hour for oral arguments on Tuesday morning. (Update: The Court has extended it to 90 minutes.)

    Both are for-profit companies. Hobby Lobby is a Oklahoma-based arts and crafts retail chain with and Christian owners so devout that the stores close on Sundays. Conestoga Wood is a Pennsylvania-based manufacturer of wood doors and other furniture. Both sued to block the mandate to cover contraceptives like Plan B and Ella, saying it violates their religious liberty.

    "Covering these drugs and devices would violate their most deeply held religious belief that life begins at conception, when an egg is fertilized," said the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which represents Hobby Lobby.

The religious argument is obviously ridiculous, but I'm not entirely sure contraception should be a part of mandatory covered health care. Thoughts...? I'm unsure.





fireballs619  ·  3972 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Out of curiosity, why do you think the religious argument is 'obviously ridiculous'? Because of the idea that life begins at conception, or because of the notion that they would use their religious beliefs as a factor when deciding something that affects others? I don't think it is ridiculous to fight against something that you feels violates your morals. At any rate, its one of the better motivations to oppose a law, rather than seeking profit or influence.

user-inactivated  ·  3972 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Because of the idea that life begins at conception, or because of the notion that they would use their religious beliefs as a factor when deciding something that affects others?

A combination of the two, I suppose. My wording was unnecessarily harsh; the first six words were the throwaway part of my post and the last bit was what I considered questionable.

fireballs619  ·  3972 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ah, very well.

In my opinion (which admittedly is somewhat uninformed about the topics involved), I think it really depends on the type of contraceptive being covered. I think religious companies have a valid point in not wanting to provide thinks like Plan B, which essentially causes a miscarriage/ kills any fertilized embryo. Now, I don't want to argue whether or not that constitutes life or what have you, but I can definitely see the religious concern with providing such contraceptives.

user-inactivated  ·  3972 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I was approaching it from a cost/common sense standpoint. I don't really see why company health care should cover condoms, contraception pills, abortions, etc -- that has nothing to do with the health of the person in question.^

Abstinence is free. If you can't afford a kid, buy contraception. If you can't afford contraception -- sorry, you shouldn't have sex. I once read that starving teens in Africa use plastic bags. If it's good enough for them...

I have no problem whatsoever with contraception or abortion but I do have a problem with stupid people having their stupid decisions subsidized.

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^very rarely, it actually does, at which point you can throw this argument out.

socialistfuck  ·  3972 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If dick pumps are covered then so should contraceptives.