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kleinbl00  ·  278 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Too Much Netflix, Not Enough Chill: Why Young Americans Are Having Less Sex

    Americans are having less sex, the share of Americans who say they never once had sex in the past year is rising, and—perhaps most surprising—this revolution in sexual behavior is being led by the young.


srsly tho

    Starting in 2011, for instance, the Obama administration pushed colleges and universities to reduce sexual harassment and violence with a range of Title IX-inspired measures. These measures, and the concerns they underlined, led to the expulsions of hundreds, if not thousands, of men for alleged sexual assaults on campuses.

k so go click on that link. Take a look. ASU, for example, has four Title IX cases open. ASU also has 100,000 students. I think we can all agree that sexual assault should be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Where things get a little more hand-wavey is when we start pretending that there's been some righteous wave of justice.

that graph tho

A young adult male in the US is about 50% more likely to live with a parent than a wife. That's pretty fucked up and also bad for game.

The effects raised are thought-provoking but I don't find their arguments as to cause to be wholly compelling. I'm sure it's a combination of factors but they seem to be reaching for causality.

tacocat  ·  277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But seriously, you're right. I think if we weren't following an incredibly prosperous generation and/or the economy totally tanked Depression style, we'd have some seriously upset young men experiencing housing insecurity marching on the National Mall. But mad at yourself for living at home is a long way from mad at the government because you can't afford a home.

kleinbl00  ·  277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thing is? 7th grade was 1986 for me. Like, everyone's big brothers and big sisters and older cousins and shit grew up with disco, amyl nitrate, free love and oh-fuck herpes. What did we hot-drop into? Fuckin' AIDS, back when it would kill you immediately and in a really ugly way because oh fuck it might be transmitted through sneezing or some shit

Meanwhile, Scarface, the Medellin Cartel, Pablo Escobar, the "crack epidemic" and just say no.

It was abundantly clear to those of us who came of age in the late '80s that drugs would totally kill you,

sex would utterly ruin your life,

and if they didn't the Russians were going to blow us to hell anyway.

Now? Now the kids aren't having sex because they're watching too much Netflix?

I mean... that's a choice.

I paid for college mixing bands in clubs. Everyone I mixed with was in the music industry in the '70s and '80s and I don't care how many groupies tried to blow you in the green room, the '90s and '00s were a pale shadow compared to the hedonism of what came before the Reagan era and we still managed to get laid.

I'm COMPLETELY unwilling to believe kids can't get their rocks off because they're like some fuckin' endangered black rhinos that can't get it up with the world watching or some shit. Love finds a fuckin' way. Therefore the problem isn't this mealy-mouthed shit espoused in the article, QED.

nowaypablo  ·  278 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Where things get a little more hand-wavey is when we start pretending that there's been some righteous wave of justice.

But don't diminish from the fact that reports of sexual assault and harassment are increasing on a lot of college campuses. A righteous wave of justice, maybe not, but a wave in confidence that genuine cases of sexual assault will be taken seriously, I think so.

This is as good as anecdotal since it's just three universities, but here's an excerpt from a recent memo:

    DOD’s Annual Report on Sexual Harassment and Violence at the Military Service Academies cited an increase in sexual assault reports at all three of the nation’s service academies, the greatest of which was at West Point, which went from 26 reports in 2015-2016, to 50 this last academic year. Superintendent Lt. Gen. Robert L. Caslen Jr. points to the increase as evidence that steps taken by the academy to encourage reporting are working.

This isn't to disprove anything you're saying about why kids are banging less, but just to check on your statement that change in XYZ factors reflecting sexual assault on college campuses isn't making a noted movement in the "right" direction.

kleinbl00  ·  277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sure. But I grew up with the Tailhook scandal. Even now the Navy is dealing with the fallout from Fat Leonard. Al Franken had to fight valiantly for an amendment to federal contracts that allowed enlisted soldiers to sue contractors for rape, instead of having to rely on binding arbitration.

I would argue the military is an outlier and if the rate of reportage doubles at military academies that doesn't mean they've caught up with the rest of the world yet.

nowaypablo  ·  277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Commenting as a placeholder to return to this conversation; brain too mush to carry out a decent argument at the moment.

kleinbl00  ·  277 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I liked your original comment. I agreed with all of it.