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weewooweewoo  ·  2450 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation?

Y'all need to make your viewpoints more clear in the title when you post these. I read this article with utmost seriousness and totally agreed with it 100% before checking the comments and I feel like I've been bamboozled.





kleinbl00  ·  2450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You weren't bamboozled. The article isn't wrong. It isn't insightful, but it isn't wrong.

Sherry Turkle made a career out of this, her first book coming out when this was a "handheld device":

...and her shit got increasingly alarming up to the point where she proclaimed we were all doomed, picked herself up off the floor and decided that maybe all wasn't lost after all and we could do something about it.

Four years ago Microsoft paid danah boyd to look into the issue and her take wasn't that kids were diving face-first into smartphones because of their unavoidable siren song, kids were diving face-first into smartphones because their parents had them on such a tight leash that the only space they could find of their own was online and online communication beats the shit out of zero communication which is what their parents were going for because holyshit helicopterparenting is offthechain which, unsurprisingly, is exactly what Frontline has found, twice.

Which, incidentally, bears out everything we know about parenting. The issue is not that phones are so fucking amazeballs that the kids would rather stare at them, the issue is

- that kids have no money for gas or shopping

- that school is taking up ever more time and extracurriculars are suffering

- that parents are reefing down on childrens' freedom well past the point of reasonability

- and that if it weren't for their goddamn phones, kids would be stuck at home staring at the goddamn television all day, which is what adults bitched about every goddamn day until the Internet came out, and then adults bitched about the internet, until phones came out and now they can bitch about Snapchat and Instagram in particular rather than the Internet in general.

Fundamentally: kids will find their independence. If the only avenue for independence is snapchatting each other at 6pm on a Wednesday from behind their closed bedroom doors, they'll fuckin' do that. If they could go hang out at park together they totally would, but unless Janie's parents, Jodie's parents and Jill's parents are all cool with their kids hanging out at the park until dark unattended, that park hangout will never happen.

Depression is an appropriate response to the circumstances.

am_Unition  ·  2450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dude, you shouldn't let Hubski's mob mentality influence your opinions.

It's not that I'm sure the author is wrong. But using a title like the one employed here screams, "I'm an out of touch alarmist here to chew out the young'n's and I'm going to use clickbait to do it!". Then, I get to:

    More often, [13 year old] Athena and her friends spend time together on their phones, unchaperoned.

    unchaperoned

Dawg, wut? I can't continue taking any remaining analysis seriously, credentials be damned, because this person clearly lives in a perpetual state of fear. If this was my mom... wait, this actually does sound like my mom, and that's probably why I smoked a LOT of pot when I went off to college.

weewooweewoo  ·  2450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm being snarky. It's also probably not the best person to be reading these things, because anxiety and depression and 12 hours in front of a computer screen are my demons right now. Also social psychology and my research into internet addiction as an undergrad.

am_Unition  ·  2450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    anxiety and depression and 12 hours in front of a computer screen are my demons right now.

I'm on a 3 minute break from this exact thing, to tell you: word. This exact thing seeps into faarrrrr too many of my Hubski posts.

Hang in there, we'll turn it out.

user-inactivated  ·  2450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

When I post these types of articles I post the exact title that the editor/author used. I put commentary in the comment. I am glad that you got something else out of the article and did not go in with a preconceived "old fart" bias.

weewooweewoo  ·  2450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sorry, I was just being snarky.