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Quatrarius  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: PSA: Welcome to Hubski, Redditors.  ·  

A significant percentage of people here identify as feminists or, ynno, are female. Or Black, or LGBT, or whatever. Hubski is a place generally free from Men's rights activists or Gamergaters or Stormfront brigades or much of the rest. It's a popular opinion here that organizations devoted to being "anti-SJW" end up as vectors of hate. Isn't it funny how you're using "social justice" as an insult, a term that represents equality between genders, sexualities, and races?

Free speech is the right to say what you want, not the right to be free from criticism. More to the point, it's the right to say what you want and not being censored by the government, not private individuals or websites. Calling "free speech!" as a defence is saying that the good thing about your argument is that it's technically not illegal to express. That argument is mocked because it doesn't make sense.

All that doesn't mean you can't stay. But you shouldn't expect a MRA circlejerk, and you shouldn't expect to be able to pass without a good argument.

zeroFail  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Social justice does not necessarily represent equality, but justice for those oppressed. It offers advantageous positions to those deemed underprivileged compared to those deemed privileged. Of course, who is privileged and who isn't is left up to the interpretation of the individual judging. To some, this might seem to be promoting equality, but to others, it might seem to be promoting a certain form of sycophancy to one's self, or a censoring of the real world in the search of a "safe space". I won't pretend to support contemporary social justice movements and activities, but I also won't blindly demonize its intended effects.

That being said, to act as though MRA or GGers are "vectors of hate" is as terrible as lumping in every feminist that hates men with the feminists that honestly just want gender equality. I might not be a mens rights activist, nor be a Gamergate supporter, but I'm not going to blindly distrust and hate these movements simply because I've heard that they're hate spewers.

I know there's more behind Gamergate than harassment of women (though I find the whole movement has since deteriorated into a self-righteous parody of itself), and I also know that, if you support equality, then Mens Rights Activisim deserves a place in this world to exist, regardless of whether or not you believe Feminism is already working to achieve the same goals as said movement. There will be radicals on every side, but there's no use putting up blinders simply because of them.

Quatrarius  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Trust me, I distrust and hate those movements with vision.

Reason nm1: Constant shitposting on any/all image boards I dare to browse.

Reason nm2: The overlap of "anti-misandry" with geniune misogyny.

Reason nm3: The hijacking of all "female/minority" problems that suddenly become white college-age male problems.

I shim-sham this issue well enough to see that, while I can agree with some issues with MRAs, it's mixed in with such hideous bullshit that I can do nothing but openly hate the movement and others like it. Note a crucial part of the previous sentence: I agree with MRAs on some issues. I'm perfectly happy with equality. What I'm not happy with is how it's blended in with TRP attempted women-manipulating and the demonization of feminism and feminists. Look at the comment I responded to earlier - the presence of feminism caused the poster to call out about "SJW Hubski". Could you please point out to me how that was deserved?

So yeah, vectors of hate. I'm going to give the members of the respective movements the kindness rarely given the other way and assume that there are some people in them that aren't bad people. That doesn't excuse the rest. It's not a silent majority, it's a silent minority.

zeroFail  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can understand your criticisms, and it's why I actually enjoy this community that I just recently discovered. That being said, I'm sort of afraid that by pushing away from Reddit and its anti-SJW tendency, more people on Hubski seem to hold a more polarizing view against them.

Where Voat exists now to hold the people vehemently pro-GG and anti-SJW, it seems that Hubski pulls the crowd on the other side of the debate, albeit certainly more well-spoken and upright in their composure. I'm just wary of a community that seems one-sided, which is unfortunate knowing that Hubski seems to be the most moderate community I've honestly found out there, so far.

Kafke  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Unless they are extremists, or are looking for an anti-SJW circlejerk/dominated site, they should be fine. I personally lean on that side of things (not because I'm against equality, but because the people are damn obnoxious and generally try to make everything into those types of issues), and I have really no issues with hubski. Not really my kind of people here, but you guys have interesting things to say a lot of the time.

Just know what you're getting yourself into. Differing opinions can coexist.

Quatrarius  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's a couple people you can hook up with for different opinions. Look around some more. It's not so bad.

am_Unition  ·  1859 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've been there before -

The survey that generated the data inspiring my post was of a different nature than your supposed SJW correlations, but the question is always valid.

I hope you find the prior discussion interesting.

Welcome. :)