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Grendel  ·  3232 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why Feminism Needs Punk

But does punk really need feminism?





DemonLung  ·  3152 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I mean, yeah.

ButterflyEffect  ·  3232 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I would say yes, because the punk aesthetic has always involved a DIY attitude and political motivations, going back to The Clash and Siouxsie Sioux. Punk music has provided an outlet for people to associate with, generally these people feel some sort of disconnect from societal norms which leads to the stereotype of the rebellious teen who is too influenced by punk music. Be it left-wing, anti-corporatist, feminist, counter-cultural, etc etc punk bands represent all sorts of "underground" movements, and fringe socio-political movements (at least, originally fringe. Obviously feminism isn't a very fringe thing anymore). So, from that perspective I would say yes, punk needs feminism and feminism needs punk because they are born of the same idea - that inspiration and social change (even on a local level) can be encompassed by music, and that music provides an area where disenfranchised people can be represented.

Hey, mk, I'm not seeing a hubwheel on this submission, are you?

Thanks to whoever tagged this "grrrlski", however, the more used tag is #grrlski.

Grendel  ·  3232 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I still think punk should stay as far away as possible from feminism, but I like your reply. It makes me wonder though, does this rationale extend to every fringe socio-political movement? Would you say that punk needs neo-nazism, for example?

KaliYugaz  ·  3231 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're implying that feminists are literally as destructive as Nazis?

We're not on Reddit anymore, bro. There's no gender wars here, and no need for hyperbole and radicalism. Feminism is a legit and mainstream movement that has generally been a good thing for humanity, even if it has it's blind spots and flaws that we can criticize like any other movement. It is also incredibly diverse and always changing, so that different criticisms and generalizations may not necessarily apply to different kinds of feminisms.

ButterflyEffect  ·  3230 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I kind of anticipated you going down that road and I can see why. I think there's a line between groups that have members that are stepping over boundaries (potentially extremist elements of feminism) and groups that are almost solely comprised of individuals that are explicitly hateful and violent towards other people and cultures. It is one thing to be attempting to empower or gain rights/in the case of the punk scene a safe place within the punk culture, and another thing to preach violence and unquestioned authority over other groups of people.

mk  ·  3232 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Odd. Fixed.

iammatt  ·  3232 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Why wouldn't it?

Grendel  ·  3232 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Because feminism ruins everything it touches.

Quatrarius  ·  3232 days ago  ·  link  ·  

[citation needed]

Grendel  ·  3232 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Feminism ruins everything it touches." - Grendel

Quatrarius  ·  3232 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I laughed. 8/10.

iammatt  ·  3231 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm still going to punk shows where the male to female ratio is 10;1 and all girls there are talked about as girlfriends or women to hit on. It's definitley a progressive environment but theres a lot of room left for improvement and t it's not quite a good safe space. Girl fronted bands get comments on how attractive they are but not the quality of music. Not everyone at the shows act this way but people still do and I don't think you can say feminism is played out if these problems are still occurring.