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comment by ecib
ecib  ·  4220 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: 'Outrageous': Verizon reportedly forced to turn over customers' phone records

It's true that the leaked NSA "blackrooms" installed at the telcos have had the details leaked and reported, but this seems different as it looks like specific requests for domestic user information as opposed to wide-net scraping for later targeting, and at least seem like it could involve targeting domestic-to-domestic communications as opposed to just domestic-foreign. Also this is NSA warrantless

Maybe I'm not up to speed on all the reporting on the subject of the myriad ways they are eavesdropping, but this seems new to me, and it is certainly news to me, though it's nothing I didn't assume already.





achughes  ·  4220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The reason that is doesn't fall under warrantless wiretapping is because there isn't any wiretapping going. The data that is being collected by the NSA isn't the actual conversation, but the metadata of that conversation (location, duration, etc). This is because in almost every case the conversation that is going on is unimportant and information that is most interesting is who people are talking to.

This information is important because by comparing all of the information they can build a graph of the various social networks which is particularly important when tracking terrorist networks. And by racking who is talking to they have a better understanding of the phones that they need to get warrants for and whose phones they need to tap (this is actually how the NSA figured out how the bin Laden network was operating).

Thats as much as I can figure out, because its illegal for the NSA to tap domestic phones. Anything domestic tapping comes under the FBIs jurisdiction.

mk  ·  4220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wonder what is the expectation of privacy regarding phone logs. Knowing who I call, when I call them, and for how long is potentially very significant private data. It can be evidence of an affair, or evidence helping to convict or acquit in a trial. It could also be used to target all kinds of networks, including political ones.