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kurmit  ·  4105 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Do physicists believe in God?

    I think it's saddening really that they can't see past anything they can't measure or observe.

It's not that they don't have the imagination or foresight needed to contemplate these things. It's that they find the exercise to be futile. Sure, you can have a pseudo-philosophical discussion on the nature of existence, or where we all came from, but you'll never truly be considering everything there is to consider, or looking at the issue completely objectively.

    It's all about faith, and being humble enough to say "I don't have all the answers, and I'm okay with that."

Humility is definitely an important quality, regardless of if you're religious or not. But it's not exclusive to people who have faith! Practicing science generally takes this one step further - after the admission that you don't have all the answers, you resolve to try and find the answers as honestly as you can.

    Certainly. But there will always be something I can't understand. To me, that's God.

By this definition, plenty of scientists and rational thinkers believe in God. But this definition of God is disingenuous; it's not the "God" that first comes to mind when you're posed a question.





BLOB_CASTLE  ·  4104 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Woah now. You would call discussion about the nature of existence pseduo-philosophical? Is that not the vast majority of philosophy? Who are we, where do we come from, what is our inherent nature...you'd say all those are pseudo-philosophical topics?

kurmit  ·  4104 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, I think that in my experience these discussions very quickly derail. There's no rigor to them; everyone has some weird angle on the topic and you end up with a mish-mash of opinions and half baked thoughts. Good points are mixed with bad points and the pace of conversation is often too quick to discern between the two.

For example, watch a conversation between two normal people on the topic of government. Then follow it up with a conversation between two people who have studied philosophy & great writers like Locke, Hobbes, Rousseau, Plato, etc. The quality of the discussion, the form of the discussion, everything will be different. And the nature of government is (I would assume) a much easier topic than the far more meta issue of "why are we here, what is existence, who created us". It's just hard to have a serious discussion about these things, I guess.

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  4104 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think you've just had some bad experiences then. Don't throw it out the window just yet. So are you saying you appreciate when great philosophers discuss the nature of existence?

kurmit  ·  4104 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, yes, but it would be important for me that they maintain a certain degree of clarity in their discourse. I wouldn't like to see it degenerate into the aforementioned muck. That aside, I think the title "great philosopher" carries with it enough intellectual rigor & skillful rhetoric that I'd likely be satisfied.

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  4104 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well then there you go, a discussion on the nature of existence can be more than pseudo-philosophy.