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user-inactivated  ·  4386 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Some Facts about Guns and Mass Shootings in the US

That graph makes me wonder who could possibly be in favor of the mentally ill owning weapons or anyone owning semi-automatics. Who the fuck needs a semi-automatic?





vlehto  ·  4287 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Umm. I'm from the country of the strict gun law.

Shotguns are here often semi automatic. As semiautomatic shotgun with a clip of two is lighter than double barreled shotgun and easier to operate than pump action. Two quick shots are sometimes very important when shooting birds to ensure quick death.

Target shooters sometimes like semi automatic. Imagine playing darts with single dart. Doesn't it seem kind of frustrating to walk to the board after every throw? Target shooters might wish to concentrate making a good series without loading movement breaking their sight picture between every shot.

By any chance did you mean "full-automatics"?

PS. Personally I don't understand who the hell needs a muzzle loader. Or a bow. Or a Bowie knife. And baseball to me doesn't seem fun enough to justify baseball bats. And I certainly don't understand why anyone ever would need a Dodge Viper.

user-inactivated  ·  4287 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I probably was thinking full-automatic (the key point being something with an excessive clip), not a gun that could be used for hunting. Although I hate hunting for sport, but that's another matter.

However, it was 98 days ago, so I can't remember.

user-inactivated  ·  4375 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I am in favor of semi-automatic rifles. Pistols and shotguns are great for self defense against criminals. Semi-automatic assault rifles are for those who come to take the guns away. I think the best defense against a corrupt government is a well armed civilian population.

user-inactivated  ·  4375 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ridiculous. Even accepting that we have a corrupt government who might "come to take the guns away," which is hilarious, they will always be better armed than the civilian populace.

vlehto  ·  4287 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've heard many times something like: "Russia is always better armed than Finland, they win anyhow so I'm not going to armed service."

Personally I feel it's not matter of winning. It's matter of not being a sitting duck. Being able to do at-least something works probably as a deterrent.

Yes it's different with U.S. government vs U.S. civilian population. But how much and for how long?

user-inactivated  ·  4287 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Silly rabble-rousing. The government will not come knocking on your door with tanks unless you start a cult and kill a few dozen people. If you break the law, it is right and proper that you should be a sitting duck. If you don't, then the only thing you have to be worried about is the entire government someday becoming so corrupt that it pointlessly (key word) attacks its own citizens.

vlehto  ·  4278 days ago  ·  link  ·  

People from north Yugoslavia in 1991 probably thought it would be pointless for the Yugoslavian government to attack them. Actually majority of all Yugoslavians probably thought so. Algerians probably thought so too and Libyans and Egyptians.

If you wish to look at democracy that fell to junta, check out Burma. And here is story about failed junta. It failed because of widespread civil disobedience.

Now if you think about the year 2015 or 2030 I think you are completely right. But your constitution has stood for more than 200 years. What will U.S. look in the year 2213? What kind of laws you should now have to ensure a nice democratic state? You don't have marines vs. army and air force vs. navy just because it's handy to separate these things. You have your force divided to four sectors so that it would be difficult for military junta to form simultaneously at every military sector.

Here in Finland the setting is completely different. Government doesn't have that bad monopoly of violence as it relies on civilian reserves for defense. And we don't have two party system.

PS. Then there is bad stuff that doesn't require an actual attack. How would you feel if government would issue obligatory surveillance cameras to every household?

user-inactivated  ·  4372 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I never said the government was corrupt. I meant a well armed population is a deterrent for corruption.

    they will always be better armed than the civilian populace.

I'm not disputing the fact that they are better armed. However, if you outnumber a well armed group 100 to 1 you still stand a chance.

user-inactivated  ·  4371 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I never said the government was corrupt.

The insinuation merely dripped from your post.

user-inactivated  ·  4369 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Let's just agree to disagree.

user-inactivated  ·  4386 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In case a hunter face a buffalo herd, maybe? Or many people not only misunderstand the problem but also misunderstand polls' questions?

user-inactivated  ·  4386 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have no idea what an assault rifle would do to a buffalo. Considering big-game hunters need extremely high-powered single-shot rifles, I don't know. (Or maybe they don't anymore; I only read about elephant hunting when it's romanticized in 19th century adventure novels so I'm out of date.)

user-inactivated  ·  4386 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And even if it worked, that would be a lot of meat for a lone hunter.

monevo  ·  4384 days ago  ·  link  ·  

there are methods of storing meat