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user-inactivated  ·  2956 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why You Will Marry The Wrong Person

So, you don't think that de Botton simply doesn't feel love like you do and is working from his position rather than try to "poison" the minds of the folks like yourself?

I perfectly understand the feelings he describes about others and oneself in the article. It resonates with me - perhaps because, true to what you've written, I am a damaged man, deprived of love in my upbringing. I said I was falling in love with people before, but the truth is, I don't know what loving someone - or being loved - feels like. I like some people, and I do my best to stay around them, often for too long, with too much obvious effort that makes them push me away. My feelings are under a rock which I have to constantly move against itself, and with that, rationalizing things to make them appear like a structure rather than a feeling has been a great help: while imperfect, it's a method I can use to view whatever chaos of human interactions I'm a part of as some sort of a structure, something I can operate within. It's unwieldy, overly technical and prone to overthinking itself, but it's something.

So calm down. Maybe he wasn't talking to you. Maybe he was talking to me.





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You know, I didn't feel like what he was referring to was the kind of pessimism we all hear about: the resignation kind, the fatalistic kind. Instead, I hear the notion of letting go of things that don't matter. Something akin to...

Sure, you'll make mistakes. We all will. We don't know what we want, so while hurling yourself blindly to the ever-escaping, vague light that we all strive for, you're certainly going to hurt a limb or two. That's okay. The people you meet aren't going to be perfect, in themselves or for you - and that's okay too. Don't make a fuss out of having a fight or two: it's not the end of the world.

Acceptance, if anything.

Maybe it's just me. I'm a rebellious asshole who, if told that there's nothing better in the world, marches on twice the speed. I've so far assumed that everybody in my kind of situation would develop this kind of resilience towards the ill. Otherwise, there's no living, right?

It's not an inspiring lesson like some others I've heard him pronounce, but are truths supposed to be always inspiring? can they be?

I don't think it hurt me, though. He's not poisoning me, and he's not poisoning you. So who's getting poisoned?

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Let me first say that I'm not very familiar with his teachings, despite the buzz. I've only personally read the article in question and another one of his that talks about mistakes and clouds. I presume, since you speak with confidence about his teachings, that you are more knowledgable about them than I am.

I've been struggling with the idea that there must be some foundation of things beyond which you mustn't degrade your tastes or desires simply because you can't attain them for as long as I can remember. What I understand by "foundation" is a floor, a bottom - the baseline on the measure tape. If I understand your words correctly, you mean to say that there is such a foundation and that anything beyond it is undesirable because of self-absolution of responsibility and the degradation of the self that follows. Do I understand your words correctly? Correct me if I don't: you provide a perspective I've never encountered before.

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user-inactivated  ·  2954 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thank you for elaborating on that.

For you, what would make for true acceptance of things in relationships, as opposed to merely escaping responsibility?

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user-inactivated  ·  2954 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It does. Thank you. I wish it could be less vague, but, as you've said, every person is different.

I hope it's okay if I ask you one more thing. If a person says they like spending time with you but, for whatever reason, can never seem to find the time unless you put effort into making it (say, by visiting them at home or at work), what does that say about the person and about the relationship?

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user-inactivated  ·  2954 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Perhaps it was unwise of me to bring up the question without a proper context, since it impedes your ability to provide insight.

Either way, I appreciate the advice. It's been good to learn things from a more healthy perspective, since mine is quite a bit skewed still.