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sir_sean_conner  ·  4576 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What are the benefits of government that cannot be replicated?
Firefighters failed when it wasn't supported by the gov't.

Education. You can have parents teaching their children but that creates an endless cycle were those born into poverty can never escape except by incredibly luck.

Minimum wage and work place safety. Before the gov't stepped in during the industrial revolution children were mining in dangerous coal mines for barely enough money to survive.





Laurelai  ·  4576 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I think we have a misunderstanding, i consider any position of authority "government". In my view there is no difference between a band of armed thugs taking control of an area and a "state sanctioned" armed force occupying an area, both are authoritarian. The fact that one authoritarian group functions somewhat better while being controlled by a bigger authoritarian group isnt relevant to me, as i believe they would all function even better without authoritarianism period.
sir_sean_conner  ·  4576 days ago  ·  link  ·  
>i consider any position of authority "government".

Fair enough but what you call the institution that built the schools and determines minimum wage?

Even if you consider them to be established by some non gov't entity it is still the authoritarianism gov't that enforces these rules. It is by authority you pay taxes thus funding education. It is by authority employers must obey to work place regulations.

A little authority is needed to keep order, although to much and you have a police state. Moderation is the key.

Laurelai  ·  4576 days ago  ·  link  ·  
> It is by authority you pay taxes thus funding education. It is by authority employers must obey to work place regulations.

Actually unions are the main reason those even exist in the first place, government had to have their hands forced by the people to make those laws, if it were up to the government and authoritarian business leaders we wouldn't even have a minimum wage, government has historically drug their heels on any kind of progressive reform in the US and only changed things when they had no other alternative. Looks to me they are just a barrier for progress that takes credit after the fact.

sir_sean_conner  ·  4576 days ago  ·  link  ·  
When gov't takes away people's rights that is to be expected but when it sets out to benefit the people then it is being forced? Yes that sounds about right because that is how gov't works. When setting up the rules as how to create a ruling body it is important to make it so they serve the people, the best way to do this is if they are forced to. So when gov't forced businesses to protect workers rights, that was gov't working the way it should. It doesn't always do that and that is a flaw of how it is set up, not of gov't in general.