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user-inactivated  ·  3398 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hubnomic 1: Ruleset CREATIVE-KEYCHAIN - Rules on beginning

I propose a new rule:

4.0 It is necessary we go through this first post and its comments to see the varying ways people are using various common terms, so that we can develop a basic vocabulary we all agree on, which will make things much easier.

4.1 Regarding the above, perhaps others can reply to this comment with terms they've noticed need to be defined, and in the responses to this we all can get an idea of what words specifically needs to be defined. This is a transitional step, which I feel would eventually lead to another post or another ruleset. We are in the process of developing a language.





user-inactivated  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

To start, these are words that I feel need some defining, in our initial stages, as we cogitate and percolate:

Vote.

Follower.

Rule.

Ruleset/rule set

Approval.

Voting/vote/voted upon.

Reset.

User.

Ratify.

Revert.

Proposition/proposal.

Majority.

Transmutation.

Amendment.

Repeal.

Seconded.

Thirded.

Approved.

Not so much defining these words, more, getting us to an eventual point where we're all using the same terminology in the same way.

thewoodenaisle  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Here are some of my thoughts on these terms:

Vote/Approval/Voting: A comment that either supports or opposes the proposition. I think we'll eventually need to codify it into a set phrase (support/aye/yes/etc), but I think this is good enough for right now.

Seconded/Thirded/Approved: Set phrases that we'll eventually have to agree upon.

User: I take it to mean Hubski user as a distinguishing term from follower of hubnomic.

Follower: Follower of hubnomic. The term is not vague, but a much bigger problem is when do we count the number of followers? At the start of the post? At the end? After a certain grace period?

Majority: I think majority means the majority of votes of a proposition, not the majority of users/followers.

Proposition: As of right now, a proposition is a rule that has yet been ratified and put forth to be considered towards ratification.

Ratify/Revert/Repeal: The process in which a proposition gets voted on and approved. I think we have to wait to see what happens in Hubnomic 2 when these propositions do get ratified, whatever that means.

Rule: As of right now, a rule is a proposition that has ratified, and a proposition is a rule that has yet been voted on. The problem is that there isn't a way of handling people who break a rule.

Ruleset: It's supposed to be a set of rules, but I'm not sure what distinguishes a ruleset from a complicated rule.

Reset: The term is currently vague because we don't know what the rules would reset to.

Transmutation: The process in which a mutable rule becomes an immutable rule and an immutable rule becomes a mutable rule. The only thing that can happen to an immutable rule is for it to be transmuted to a mutable rule.

Amendment: A change to an existing rule. It is an open question whether amendments are also proposals/propositions/rules.

user-inactivated  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thank you. =)

shanoxilt  ·  3398 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Speaking of language, we should take this proposal to its logical extreme.

user-inactivated  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah. Something I've been noticing in this first post is that people are starting right away with preconceived terminology, making assumptions about what common words mean, things becoming complex too fast. I understand this is a standard thing that happens in instances of emergent growth, but it also makes me think of something I learned from being a designer: function first, design later. Architecture first, flourishes later. Simplest underpinnings at first, then gradually branch out to deeper complexities. Also made me think of proposing that we currently view this as Sandbox Mode. Only later can we get into government, bureaucracy mode.

tehstone  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Are you referring to any of the language referred to in this comment?

user-inactivated  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I was addressing the various terminology used in this specific post and comment thread. Basically, I went through every comment line by line, and wrote down every time a new keyword was used, and in doing so noticed varying, sometimes conflicting usage of terms.

Additionally, I think I may, in this comment thread, have missed the entire point of this game. I was looking at in in a worldbuilding way, and wasn't aware of its specific rule by rule nature. Thus was confuzzled by the lack of standardized protocol I've been seeing in this comment thread.