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Elisza  ·  3179 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: "People in Russia are Anti-US" and other such statements

How would you describe Russia's culture to an outsider (me) that's never been there before? There's probably quite a few stereotypes I can dispel if I read a few accounts from a native Russian! For example, do you guys really drink that much alcohol (drinking at all is quite inconcievable to me, I really dislike it)?





user-inactivated  ·  3179 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I must admit: I never thought about the Russian culture in general, so I can't talk about it as a whole. I can, however, and would love to talk about the aspects of it, like drinking, and form a fuller picture through such talks.

Drinking in Russia is not as straightforward as one might think, as is drinking itself.

There are quite a few people who never drink at all, much like in every other country.

There are people who drink a bit - a few 0.5L glass bottles of weak beer, for example - most often as an excuse to keep company - much like people who go out on dates at restaurants and bars don't do it for food or drinks. It's not uncommon to have a few young men to sit on a bench, drink beer and talk about stuff, without insulting or assaulting anybody. They're just having some go-out time. They can, however, be very loud when they get deeply drunk. Ever since the public drinking ban took place a few months ago, this kind of thing became less common, even though people can continue to drink publically if the bottles are inside the tall brown packages every American would instantly recognize.

There are people somewhere in between, who enjoy drinking themselves to sleep a form of relaxation or escapism, which is never chronic nor addicting.

There are, of course, alcoholics - those who consume alcoholic drinks as an addiction, as their way of coping with reality. Those were frowned upon in the Soviet times, and I believe that the same frown have transfered to the modern Russia, mostly through the beliefs of the older citizens.

Then, there's the famous holiday drinking. Consuming alcohol as a way of celebration is an ancient tradition of Slavic people; considering that Rurik, the first duke of Kievan Rus', came from somewhere up north (Scandinavia, to be more precise), I would imagine that there may be some correlation with the fact that vikingers (those whom people traditionally call "vikings", even though "viking" was a conquesting travel, in which vikingers partook) were famous for their celebratory drinking as well, though this is only a speculation of mine.

When you arrive at a usual Russian holiday celebration - usually held at dachas* or at someone's home, with the whole family and some friends invited - you will always seem an alarming amount of food and drinks, most of which is left over for quite a few days. Drinking at such celebrations is not mandatory, but not drinking is often seen as refusing to salute for the cause of celebration, and the more important the cause, the more frowned upon not drinking might be seen be older Russians. Of those who drink, younger adults would more often err on the side of less, imbibing both less drinks and the drinks of less alcohol percentage; older adults, however, might prefer to go straight for vodka, which I'm sure you recognize, because stronger drinking might be associated with the virility of the man drinking - women rarely drink lots of vodka, and most of those women are either homeless or alcoholics.

I'm not a person who drinks alcohol, and there's some aspect of drinking that bothers me more than adults drinking: it's children and teenagers drinking. Most detestable is to make children of ages around 10 drink "just a little bit" because "it's tradition" or, idiotically, "why wouldn't you?" (some terrible parents do and make their children do things solely to impress others - an alarmingly common behavior; "why wouldn't you?" is most often used to manipulate people into such behavior). Naturally, children get used to it, but, concerned as I am, I've never heard of children who got into alcoholism that way.

More terrible is when children get into drinking without their parents knowing - or knowing and not caring about it - often with high-schoolers joining them in on this, I'm sure, very bonding and glorious practice. It is then when minors drink without what's called in Russia "learning to drink", when they simply imbibe alcoholic drinks to get themselves drunk and pass out, without dwelling into the undoubtably wonderful state of euphoria and lack of inhibitions. Terrible practice, but far too common than one would hope.

You may be pleased to know after that that most adults do know how to drink. Vodka is consumed with shots rather than whole glasses (which is a feature of an alcoholic) and "eaten after" (that is, with small piece of food - a salty pickle or a piece of bread - consumed immediately afterwards to decrease amount of alcohol consumed from the drink). Drinking beer mostly means drinking low-percentage beer, because most of those who drink have either children to take care of or jobs to do the next day, so hangover is never a desired result... unless you're talking about big, three-day-long weekends during holidays, in which case many might very well go for it.

I hope this answers your question in full. If you have any else - shoot, and I'll do my best to shed some light on it.

* Dachas [DAH-chah] are houses usually outside of the city, where people can also build banyas [BAH-njah] - small steaming-hot relaxation and washing houses - and hold sads [SAHD] or ogorods [oh-goh-ROHD, most often pronounced as ah-gah-ROHD], which are gardens of fruits, vegetables and/or berries. Often dacha-houses are not very big and are two stories high or higher, equipped with a petsch - a brick construction that serves as both an oven and a heater for the whole house - and lacking internal toilet room, which exists as a separate building outside, to not let the excrements pollute the air.

Elisza  ·  3179 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thank you so much for your comprehensive reply! That really was more than I expected and felt like an entry to a wikipedia article, in a more personal way (trying to find the words to compliment you but it eludes me). It appears that Russia, like most countries, has its fair share of people who can drink in moderation, but it may be a western media/ internet that propogates the image of rampant alcoholism. How are things going in Russia, after the annexation of Crimea? Do people talk about it at all? I suppose there are a large majority of people who don't support war but can't really voice it, is this what it's like?

user-inactivated  ·  3179 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    How are things going in Russia, after the annexation of Crimea?

The public is no longer buzzing about it - which is to say, the government has lost any reasons to keep the Crimea situation afloat in the mind of the public. Much more attention is now given to the situation in Ukraine as a whole, with accusations of corruption of the Ukrainian leader (what's his name, Yatsenyuk? I don't keep up: I don't watch TV) and war crimes abundant on the waves. Only sometimes do the narrators tell how Crimea continues to adapt to the Russian lifestyle (using Russian ruble as its main currency, using Russian for the documents and so on) or how the evil Ukraine cuts some sort of access (electricity was the one I heard of) to the republic.

In the meantime, people are actively taking trips to the newly-acquired peninsula: from the Soviet times people believe that Crimea is a major relaxation destination, much like Sochi was (or is - I've been there a long time ago and didn't keep up). No idea how true it is still, but people seem to be eager.

    I suppose there are a large majority of people who don't support war but can't really voice it, is this what it's like?

The majority, I'm afraid, is on the side of the war. The public image is that the separatists in Ukraine - the newly-formed Ukrainian republics - are fighting against the oppressive Kievan state, for reasons completely forgotten, and we ought to support them because they're the underdogs fighting against the big brother, or somewhere along those lines. Vladimir Putin actively denies Russian involvement in the separatist war, even though there are plenty of evidence against it beyond the national news outlets - if only people cared enough to look for it instead of being happy being fed already chewed thoughts and ideas.

Still, there are plenty of people who's speaking up against the war and the Russian invisible war effort. It mostly happens online, because the Russian government is notorious for its arrests of anyone who opposes the current regime.

With a better government, Russia could be such a wonderful place.

user-inactivated  ·  3179 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    With a better government, Russia could be such a wonderful place.

I think with better governments, the whole would could be such a wonderful place.

user-inactivated  ·  3179 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, certainly! But I know for certain that Russia could, because I've seen the problems the government lays on our shoulders without giving much back, which is why I said so about Russia specifically.

Did you know that students are heavily encouraged (which is a local euphemistic phrase for "You better do it, or else Big Brother won't be happy") to take part in pro-government rallies? I was outraged when I heard about it - as well as about finding out that students are, again, heavily encouraged to vote for the Putin's political party United Russia. I never voted in my life (partly because local political parties are all full of shit, partly because I was pressured to), and neither have I took part in the rallies. At least getting a scholarship is fairly possible if you apply yourself.

And that's not talking about the food prices, the governmental corruption, the... *sigh* I think you get the point.

user-inactivated  ·  3179 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What things do you like about Russia? Are your neighbors neighborly? Do guys have a zeal for sports? Music? Video games? Car culture?

user-inactivated  ·  3179 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    What things do you like about Russia?

I don't know. I never thought about it. Food for thought, I suppose.

    Are your neighbors neighborly?

Relationships between people here are polarized: if you do well with each other, you're greeted with a sincere smile; if you don't or are neutral, most people will ignore you, only giving you attention if you ask for it (for example, by asking which way is to such-and-so-place). That being said, people generally won't refuse help, especially the older ones.

The same goes for neighbours. It's a generally accepted idea that helping out your community - in this case, your podyezd* - is a good thing, though most people wouldn't take initiative to change things if they're good enough to walk on and such. "Why fix it if it ain't broken" is a philosophy applicable to an ordinary Russian citizen.

    Do guys have a zeal for sports? Music? Video games? Car culture?

People in Russia - men, mostly - have a certain zeal for football (even though it's unversally agreed upon that the prominent Russian teams' players are shit, especially when compared to the international players) and hockey (which is partly a Soviet legacy - the Soviet team was very good - and partly because the Russian team is very good, too). Many people also enjoy biathlon and tennis for the same reason as hockey. Basketball, swimming and figure skating has its following, too. I'm not a man of sport, so I can't tell you more.

Music, well... The same as everywhere, I suppose: people enjoy the sort of music that they do and are eager to visit their favourite bands' live concerts.

Video games are not yet a prominent part of the Russian culture, and are mostly considered children's toys, even though there are some online games that even my father's colleagues - mine workers in their thirties, no less - enjoy playing, like the infamous World of Tanks. On the positive side, video games don't cause such controversies as they do in the US, which is a boon for the youngsters. The age restrictions are not - or were not, the last time I bought a physical disk - imposed, so anyone could buy, say, GTA V, no questions asked.

I'm not a car person, but from what I know, the relationships with the local brands - VAZ (especially the "Zhiguli" 2107 model), UAZ, KAMAZ, all stemming from the names of their respective automobile factories (AvtoZavody in Russian) - range from vehement appreciation (patriotic in nature) to outright disgust. The bleaker end of the spectrum is due to the perceived quality and/or value of those compared to the superior imported brands.

As the Russian economy got better, more and more imported cars started to appear - and with it, came financial status stereotypes: for example, people who drove big, bulky cars were considered rich (and fuck me, one such car today could cost as much as a single-room apartment). Since then, people have been competing among themselves for the social status, possibly going into debt just to own a "respectable" car. Around 2010, the financial difference became less of an issue, and as such, far more imported brand cars were on the streets. Prominent brands include Mercedes, Honda, Chevrolet, Hundai, Toyota and some else.

Still, old-timers appreciate their old cars - Volgas, for one, which were in the Soviet Union an apex of the local automobile industry and expensive as such - and take good care of them. One of such cars stands parked in front of the house.

* Podyezd is a part of the house. Multi-storey houses - mostly khruschovkas, built under the rule of Nikita Khruschov - are separated into podyezds - the word for which literally means a place to drive close to - for example, to pick someone up as they leave the house. However, nowadays people refer to the whole part of the house they can access through a single entry door at the first floor (we count floors from the ground, so the European/American first floor would be our second) as a podyezd.