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aidrocsid  ·  3442 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Anyone here see this? Bernie Sanders speech stopped.

It doesn't matter, though. If anything the fact that he's supportive just makes it more egregious. You can't follow a presidential candidate around interrupting his speeches and literally stealing the mic. There is nothing at all that's remotely acceptable about threatening to shut down a rally. This whole concept that my free speech means I have the freedom to keep you from speaking is absolute bullshit. So is this sentiment that it's just fine to block off the entrances to colleges or stand in the middle of the highway. It's one thing to promote discourse, it's entirely another to act as though your problems are the only problems that matter.

The subtext of black lives matter is that only black lives matter. What about all those other lives? For that matter what about the lives of black students trying to get through that human wall or black fathers stuck in traffic trying to get home to their daughter's birthday? What about black people who support Bernie Sanders?

It's not even about black people, it's about egotism. It's about my opinion is more important than yours and I absolutely will hijack your life if I need to.



user-inactivated  ·  3442 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Why It's Impossible To Advance A Cause Online:

Believe me I was pissed enough to post it.
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aidrocsid  ·  3442 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's just so fucking frustrating. Bernie Sanders is an amazing candidate and he's struggling to get recognized as such by a party who actually fucking loves him. I've talked to multiple Democrats who really do like Sanders and agree with him on pretty much everything, but they're still going to vote for Clinton in the primary even though they don't really like her that much because they think she's got a better chance of winning.

It's bonkers, because the Republicans are at their weakest! Trump is their damn frontrunner. We'll never elect Trump. He might be popular on the right, but he's completely alienated key demographics like as the entire hispanic vote and anyone to the left of Ayn Rand. Now is the time to push the awesome far-left but still weirdly in alignment with the majority on every issue candidate who isn't really even a Democrat. It's not the time to dig up Hilary after her last failed primary simply because we have this weird preordained assumption that she's going to be the first woman in the oval office.

Bernie, if he has any chance, is going to have to really struggle for it. Assholes like this derailing what he does have going for him are only fucking things up more. And the horrible thing is that it's coming from the left.

I'm totally going to watch that video now.

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aidrocsid  ·  3442 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I definitely agree with what Soren's saying there. I'm not sure how much it applys to this particular context though.

What percentage of people supporting black lives matter support specific individual actions? Like how many of those people are in support of the human wall at Berkeley? How many people are in support of the roadblocks? How many people are in support of disrupting the Sanders rallies? I don't expect actual numbers, but given who you've talked to what's the general feeling? What would you expect a moderate position to be versus an extreme one?

Most of what I've been seeing from this has either been stuff like that or people getting really mad when someone counters with the idea that all lives matter. I mean, 8bit just blocked me in this very thread over it. It's an emotional topic. How prevalent do you think that is?

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user-inactivated  ·  3441 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What I ment by the video is that your reaction, just like the girls on stage, is less than helpful to the cause of stopping the misinformation going on.

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aidrocsid  ·  3441 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What exactly is the misinformation? All I see is one group of protestors who only seem to care about their own pet issues getting in the way of everyone else with no regard for the lives of others. I mean, the most common argument I've seen around this subject is people getting really pissed off when someone says that all lives matter.

If there are some reasonable people backing this and these other folks don't represent them, great. Where are they?

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