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shiranaihito  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Deep State America

When you say "penalty for failing to pay", you're actually talking about "punishment for disobeying". When a mafia tells you to give them money, they know you won't do it voluntarily, so they'll have to force you (by threatening you with violence or property destruction or whatever).

"Penalty for failing to pay" sounds like you have an obligation to pay, which of course you don't.

When a government tells us to give them money for all their fucking adult lives, they know we wouldn't do it voluntarily, so they force us to pay (by threatening us with imprisonment).

People grumble about having to pay taxes, just like a restaurant owner would grumble about having to pay protection money, but they don't see that it's actually just extortion, because they've been brainwashed by government schools and continuous propaganda bombardment from the media.

Suppose a photography club- .. nay, commune, imposes its membership on you and starts extorting you for money. They'll tell you that your money will be used to provide equipment for the club's members, so that they can produce lovely photographs.

Naturally, the photography club has a Leader who gets to impose his will on all the other members. The leader is chosen by voting, and anyone who disobeys him will be punished.

Since "collectivism" is important for the progress of great photography, I guess everything is alright?





crafty  ·  3397 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Unfortunately the planet is no longer big enough for humans to sustain themselves as free and independent family/social units, as prehistoric humans did. If you want to start your own country and make your own rules, make a micronation and fight for your independence, but don't expect that you can just mooch off of society by continuing to interact with the members of that society. If you want to be part of a group of people, you have to play by the rules of the group. If those people's rules are set unilaterally by a tyrant, they're probably shitty rules to live by, akin to extortion. If those rules are set through the consent of the members of the group, well, that is the will of the group and they are under no obligation to allow you to be a part of the group if you choose not to follow their rules.

You really think any group should be forced to allow you to be a member if you choose not to follow their rules? I get the impression you don't really want to talk hypotheticals here, so I'll say this: here in America, we have "freedom" or whatever you want to call it; you can "buy" land and you "own" that land, but that land is still under the jurisdiction of the federal government, the state government, the county government, and perhaps even a local government. If you want true freedom, without those airquotes, as in you are lord, king and commander, beholden to no one but yourself, you have to fight to the death for it.

I hate to be the one shatter your illusions of what the difference between "freedom" and freedom is, but most of us have already wised up to this. Like I said before, the planet is no longer big enough for humans as a species to sustain themselves as free and independent family units, so I'm willing to accept the airquotes around my freedom. As a compromise, I would like to live in a true democracy (either direct or representative) where myself and my peers have a real and equal say in the decision making process of the state that governs my life and property. Unfortunately, the government I live under does not resemble this, and I'm willing to join with others to fight for a more equal say in the governing process, but if you want to be on your own, then you have to fight on your own. No one is going to fight for your rights if your responsibilities end at your doorstep.

shiranaihito  ·  3396 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmm.. I wonder how you, as a psychopath playing games with me, see this situation.

I'm guessing you thought you managed to "hook me" with the earlier message where you were "more reasonable", and now thought it was time to start making me jump through your bullshit hoops, refuting complete fucking horseshit?

As an aside, how fucking sad is it to gleefully play games where your "opponent" doesn't even know he's playing?

In reality, your supposed opponent is not even an opponent, because he's simply not playing. There's only one player, like some retarded child moving the pieces of both sides of a chessboard and being proud of winning.

You might want to consider trying to have your life amount to more than just a shitstain on the sole of humanity's boot. Participate.

crafty  ·  3396 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    ... psychopath... your bullshit... complete fucking horseshit... how fucking sad... some retarded child... just a shitstain...

See, here's the difference between you and me. I'm here to rationally and honestly discuss things, looking for new ideas to challenge my beliefs. You, apparently, are here to spew expletives and insults, which while mildly entertaining to read your anger, only serves to debase your arguments. Your point that "taxation is immoral" because "taxation is extortion" is both shallow and incomplete; "taxation without representation is immoral" because "taxation without representation is extortion" is a much more rigorous assertion. I've responded to your points, yet you return crude language with no intellectual value. If you want to continue our discussion, edit your comment to remove the quoted language and I will consider your points if there is anything left. Until then, good day to you.

shiranaihito  ·  3396 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not playing anymore :p