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Corvus  ·  3210 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hey Hubski, what are your thoughts on scientific illiteracy?

I'll have to disagree with you a bit on what you said. Scientific literacy is very very important, and I think the world would be a much better place if people where, in general, more scientifically literate (no more global-warming deniers, eh, americans?). However, I feel like one does not have to have the understanding that an undergraduate has of a field to be scientifically literate in that field, nor does a person need to have all the correct terminology.

In my opinion, all that is needed is a general change the people's spirits regarding their thinking. People, in general, lack critical and scientific thinking. What I think could help is an "addon" to education that focused on the scientific way of thinking: of accepting new ideas, and of testing them, and of seeing the results for your won eyes instead of taking other's words for it. In my mind, if people in general and a little bit more of critical thinking and of scientific reasoning the world would be a better place, and everyone would be happier. I don't need (nor want) everyone to have an amazing understanding of a ton of scientific fields, all I want is for people to have an open and critical spirit capable of changing their ideas and beliefs when confronted with new information.





qroste  ·  3210 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    In my opinion, all that is needed is a general change the people's spirits regarding their thinking. People, in general, lack critical and scientific thinking.

Let's test this opinion to see if the evidence supports it meaningfully. Do you have some peer-reviewed literature that makes a strong case for your opinion? I understand that this is an easy assumption to make, but are you basing your opinion on actual research, or upon your intuitions?

Next, what recommendations do contemporary researchers make who study these areas? Are they really saying that critical thinking skills ought to be the main focus? Where does this emphasis on critical thinking skills fit in with modern rebuttals to the Information deficit model

Corvus  ·  3209 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Really, education is important for deeper understanding, but basic science literacy isn't so difficult to grasp. Often it's a strong start to just teach some basic research skills and inspire enough interest to use those skills. People can always go deeper into knowledge, but we don't all need to spend years in every subject to grasp the most relevant information for our personal lives or to get a reasonable sense for differentiating accurate information.

This is pretty much what I'm saying, tbh.

qroste  ·  3209 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Cool, thanks for clarifying. Please allow me to use some of your previous comments as a springboard.

I think that people often over-generalise and forget that an individual might not think so critically in one area of their life, but do think critically in other regards. Critical-thinking is certainly a skill that can be practised and improved, but the way I look at it is that most people have something to tap into. For instance, instead of simply dismissing an anti-vaccinationist as stupid or illiterate, I would try to find a way to use their current motivated skepticism on other issues that might not be so guarded by strong beliefs, then work from there.

The thing is, pretty much everyone has their own blindspots. Bill Nye was previously taking an anti-GMO stance, but could we say he lacked critical thinking? Perhaps in one way, but the main strategy was getting him to extend his critical thinking to some of his other beliefs and assumptions.

Therefore, to me, I don't think the main issue is a lack of critical thinking, but rather an issue of helping each other be more aware and conscious of our beliefs, biases, and worldviews.

Corvus  ·  3209 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That is true. Thinking about it, you see a lot of people who have very good critical thinking in their area of knowledge but fail in areas they don't know much about. If we generalize and take that to mean that critical thinking arises from knowledge, we can't force everyone to have knowledge about everything so they can think critically about it. But a scientific mindset, and specifically the scientific method and philosophy of the science doesn't require you to have any concrete knowledge about a subject, or any subject, to be able to apply it. I feel (note the use of feel, which implies intuition and not a research backed opinion) that just knowledge about how science in general works, and of the scientific method and how it is used to learn about the world would help a lot of people have a much more open mind to new ideas, and more importantly to give importance to research, instead of dismissing it.

qroste  ·  3209 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, very good thoughts. For me, I see science as strategic thinking before I see it as a collection of knowledge. There are some very basic thinking tools that near anyone can use, even children, and further scientific concepts are additional pools to draw upon. Often, people do have an intuitive experience with natural phenomena, and that relationship is accurately perceived, but analytical scientific reasoning provides another lens through which to look. Such a lens can give deeper insights, and importantly, challenge false assumptions. For instance, nudging children into applying scientific inquiry on why they think the sky is blue is a great introduction to some important science concepts.

Anyway, thanks for the chat!