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AnSionnachRua  ·  5004 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Civilization Is a Pyramid Scheme
Frightening, to be sure, but it has long been known that humans are consuming resources at an unsustainable rate and damaging the world's ecosystems. And every second person has beliefs about the world economic system and how it should change.

It is interesting, though, to look at how societies like those of the Maya or on Easter Island have collapsed in on themselves. Wikipedia doesn't entirely agree that it was exceeding the land's carrying capacity that ended the Mayans - apparently there are "88 different theories or variations of theories attempting to explain the Classic Maya Collapse have been identified. From climate change to deforestation to lack of action by Mayan kings, there is no universally accepted collapse theory, although drought is gaining momentum as the leading explanation." Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Maya_collapse





alpha0  ·  5004 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Speaking of islands, the only island we have to worry about in this context is the mediated knowledge base that we are building in this era. We're in a transition phase and can recover if disaster strikes today. But once the transformation is complete, the path of disaster recovery is not so clear.
roundsquare  ·  4987 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Are you talking about specialization? I.e. that the problem is that people are becoming too specialized so that if the worst does happen most of us won't know how to survive?
mk  ·  5004 days ago  ·  link  ·  
This sounds like a small piece of a much bigger theory. :) Care to elaborate on 'mediated knowledge'? I think I have a general notion about what you mean, but I am wondering what possible scenario you see playing out. Internet ID #'s?
alpha0  ·  5004 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Or merely poor English :) You are thinking of a more immediate threat that may actually have the unintended consequence of addressing the longer term threat of civilizational information/knowledge-base bound to a minimal industrial base requirement (aka "mediated" .. (yeah, - text/books o/c ..)).

As for the ids, the economic version already exists: I can not read a certain subset of academic research in my field as it is behind paywalls in ACM, IEEE, etc.

mk  ·  5004 days ago  ·  link  ·  
One thing we can be sure of, is that we are in the exponential phases of a lot of things, such as population growth, consumption of some resources, etc. History is full of examples that tell us that exponential phases typically reverse abruptly. It's interesting to think that we might be on the cusp of a reversal, and not be able to decide for ourselves what the reversal will be, and why.

I can understand the debate behind what caused the collapse on Easter Island, but it is odd/sad/ironic that we will probably debate what will lead to our collapse right up to the very moment of it.