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mknod  ·  3564 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Is it time to retire feminism?  ·  

    This is why I've decided to take an approach that aims to completely excise it from the conversation and replace it with a more inclusive system

Feminism is super inclusive, and when I say super inclusive, I mean SUPER inclusive.

And now a few points which I hope help to educate and elucidate your knowledge of feminism.

    “The subject is irritating, especially for women; and it is not new. Enough ink has flowed over the quarrel about feminism; it is now almost over: let’s not talk about it anymore.”

That was written in 1959. By Simone de Beauvoir these ideas are not new, nor are they unexplored. Suggested readings: Ms Beauvoir's "The Second Sex"

    We have to think about why disparities like this exist. Why does a wealthy woman experience less oppression than a poor woman? Why does a wealthy man experience less oppression than a poor man? These differences are so severe that I have trouble considering the other axes of intersectionality before addressing the big one.

Feminism already deals with this and it's extensively covered. Who the hell do you think Emma Goldman was? Suggested reading: Anarchism and Other Essays and Living my Life. If you'd like something more modern, there is an entire field of Feminist Economics devoted to the subject.

    Today’s feminism is inadequate to the task of improving society. It did great work back when the differences between men and women were so blatant, but society has advanced so much, and now the biggest differences are reflected primarily in class and wealth. If I were going to start a social movement to address this new understanding, I would start with tackling class mobility. The Occupy movement is one hell of a start, and I’m keeping an eye on it.

My eyes rolled back so far into my head I could see my back yard. Feminism is not a white middle class phenomenon. It is a world wide issue. The patriarchy is a real societal thing, that feminism tries to deal with.

Quick whats the ratio of male to female world leaders?

What group of people do you think gets blamed for rape in South Asia Unsafe images from the acidviolence website.

I am happy that you are willing to discuss these issues, but I suspect that the reason you get so much vitriol is because you haven't already done your research outside of the context of the internet, if I am wrong then so be it, but you obviously have not been around or talked to the same feminists I have.



mkr  ·  3564 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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mknod  ·  3564 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Note: I never called your experiences invalid.

However I did address that you are very much not educated in the subject, which is why your entire thesis is wrong.

I am not a biologist, so I do not get to have valid criticisms of evolution without studying evolution heavily.

I have clearly laid out in what areas you could learn about these topics, so it is now up to you to learn them. I am not saying your criticisms are unfounded, but I am saying that in order to have a valid voice in the matter, you need to read debates and text where these have already been addressed. After all Feminism is for Everybody

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CrazyEyeJoe  ·  3563 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Here's why: because if you want people to say something interesting, instead of only talking about your lack of knowledge, you might want to convince them that you have that knowledge.

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