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comment by smoorman1024

    Is more efficiency a good thing anyway?

This really begs at the question are Capital Markets good? I would say a resounding yes. That's not to say that our capital markets are perfect or couldn't be improved upon, but its better than not having an equity market.

Now what does the stock market do for the company and the investor and how is the stock market and in particularly the accuracy of the price at any one moment have to relate to that. Equity is one way for a company to fund itself. You sell a portion of company ownership for cash in an IPO or another offering. Then going forward you can also use the equity you retain and the current price in the market as one of your assets. For an investor equity is part ownership in the future cash flow of the company. If the company has more money they might issue a higher dividend or do a stock buyback thereby increasing the value of what you own.

The Efficiency of Price Discovery

I can try to answer the question in the context of something material happening to JCP. Let's say their holiday sales are released and it's bad. If you are an owner of JCP stock you probably want to compare your expectation of future cash flow with the current price of the stock. Would you rather sell now for cash or hold it for future appreciation. If you think you are much better off selling now then you go to the market and sell. This is going to affect the price in the market, because the level at which someone was willing to buy at may no longer be there. Only so many people are going to be willing to buy at price X until they move the price down to X-1. So the stock price moves down eventually it stops moving down and market participants are willing to push it back up again. This process is called price discovery and it's something that market makers help to achieve. Now here's the kicker, if you as an investor want the option to be able to buy or sell in a reasonable time after material information is released then price discovery has to happen! The price can't sit at it's last price and everyone is allowed to execute at that price. Clearly that doesn't work because who is actually going to receive the sold securities? There has to be real time buyers and sellers to facilitate this movement.

The Efficiency of Alternate Markets

Now above I described the efficiency of price discovery and how market makers help with the process. Now there is also the efficiency of price being equal across different exchanges. This is easier to understand, if there is a resting offer to sell BAC for 12.99 at NYSE and a resting bid to buy BAC at 13.00 at NASDAQ then it only makes sense that someone is going to come along and try to buy BAC at 12.99 at NYSE and sell it for 13.00 at NASDAQ. If you want more than one market center then this has to happen! And you do want more than one market center, because competing market centers help to keep exchange fees low via competition among the exchanges. Not to mention that competition among the exchanges helps them to improve their market technology being able to handle more bandwidth and coming up with new trading technologies that help market participants. The CME futures market is an interesting counterexample to the US equity markets, because although there are about 7 lit equity markets there are only 2 big futures markets. So CME has a lot more power. I cannot say definitively whether it's cheaper to trade in equities or futures because its like comparing apples to oranges. With CME they are also a central clearing house so they help facilitate the risk if a counter-party defaults and cannot fulfill an order (imagine Smithfield goes broke and cannot deliver on its pork futures). The problems with trading equities are not equivalent.

The Efficiency of Related Securities

Many of you are likely familiar with ETFs. Exchange Traded Funds are a security backed by a corporation that is designed to back this security with specific other securities. The simplest one is SPY, which is made up of the securities of the S&P 500. So the person who issues SPY buys the basket of stocks that relate to the S&P 500 then they issues an equivalent amount of SPY shares. When they get dividends from the basket that they own they issue dividends to the owners of SPY. Now why is this a good thing, because owning SPY instead of owning 500 stocks is a cheaper way to diversify your portfolio. Why do you want to diversify your portfolio, because mathematically you have higher expected returns with lower risk (check out modern portfolio theory). Now just with the alternate exchange example above, if I could calculate the fair price of SPY and I see that the price SPY is being traded lower than the cost of its constituents then I'm going to buy SPY and sell the constituents. This pushes the price SPY to the true price of SPY.

Aside, now one other thing that could happen that is different than it works today is there could be mini auctions every few milliseconds instead of continual trading. I wouldn't necessarily object to this idea. The idea is similar to what happens in the morning or closing auction. Everyone who wants to buy or sell a stock issues the price they would buy or sell at. If the market crosses then the exchange finds the fair value and matches as many buyer and sellers as possible at the price. You would have to match everyone pro rata though, because if the match still occurred based on time priority you wouldn't have solved any of the negative sides of the industry such as high technology cost.

I don't consider the high cost of technology to be a huge negative of the trading industry. What automated trading has accomplished is take the job of 1000's of human market makers and automate them. The old human market makers used to make a lot of money for what they did. They also couldn't handle more than a few stocks at a time so there had to be a lot of them. A modern moderately sized team can handle the entire universe of stocks though. This should make it clear why it's cheaper to trade now than it ever has been. In the process they have brought the spread between buyers and sellers down to penny and subpenny levels as well as enable you as an investor to click on your Scotttrade account and actually own the shares you want to own before the page even finishes loading. That's amazing if you think about it.





insomniasexx  ·  3961 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is all way over my head but I appreciate the time and effort you've put into discussing this. :)

smoorman1024  ·  3961 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yay!!! I got a badge and insomniasexx followed me and it only took me 863 days to do it. I can start dishing out these 4 badges I'm holding now that I know the joy of getting one.

On a serious note, It was worth my time to comment on this subject. Imagine you were a psychologist and I posted "all psychologists are quacks and this is why they are hurting our society". You probably wouldn't feel contempt, but you would see it as an opportunity to explain to others why you think psychology is good because you're a psychologist and you know the benefits first hand.