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Kafke  ·  3840 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Should a high school diploma be required to vote?

    We need to flip the script. Make voting mandatory: when you hit 18, you register to vote and pay a fine for failing to register and/or vote.

This is how you get even more ignorant votes. People will just do it because they have to, and a lot of people will probably pick one at random (not caring about politics).

    "Bob knows how to build computers and Jane knows how to drive trucks. Jane will teach mornings and Bob will teach afternoons. Next week, Sam teaches cooking from scratch and everyone works at the soup kitchen each evening -- they need to fix the boiler there, too."

Fuck requiring everyone to teach. Some people are awful teachers. And making it mandatory will result in people not caring about teaching. Have you ever been taught by someone who doesn't want to be there (regardless of how well they know the topic)? It sucks.

These suggestions would make me want to move out of the country more than I already do.





exe  ·  3840 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    This is how you get even more ignorant votes. People will just do it because they have to, and a lot of people will probably pick one at random (not caring about politics).

Arguably, this prevents political extremism, causing all of the major parties to the centre. Pushing more voters to vote prevents political influence by lobby groups.

Stagnant_Pig  ·  3840 days ago  ·  link  ·  

While this would prevent lobby influence, if we have (hypothetically) a large population of uneducated people with the economic understanding of a twelve-year-old, then we basically have a group of twelve-year-olds voting. This would probably only be a problem in highly impoverished areas but a problem, none the less. It could easily be mitigated by policies, but that would clash with the whole "everyone votes" idea.

exe  ·  3840 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think I might have to agree with you slightly. However, on the other hand you have a large group of informed youth that very rarely vote. In Australia only 40% of (relatively informed) youth voted, despite it being compulsory. In some cases, you actually need to give a people a kick in the backside, people that are actually informed but might be sitting in the political centre, or just unhappy with all major parties, to get them to vote.

pseydtonne  ·  3840 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ah, so your priority is that you don't like the voting results of your fellow citizens. We need to address their ignorance (as well as your distaste for it... and mine) instead of declaring them unworthy of their franchise.

We have let the few create the knowledge that leads to votes. At one time this was necessary: distribution of information cost money, so those with money could control the information. Now those with money control the spin of information using the older psychological tools along with newer technological tools.

We need to teach people how propaganda works.

Fear of the ill-educated does not mean they can be repressed -- that treats the problem as inherent instead of a result. It's the obligation of those that "get it" to get more of them to get their own addiction to valid information. Those that can teach, should teach and should get the chance to do it.

Sure, many people do not want to teach or are bad teachers. It was an example.

I guess you should ask yourself: if you want to leave so bad, where will you go that will accept you and won't have the same problem? Frankly, the Information Age has flushed a lot of dumb people out of the bushes and into the chat rooms. They aren't just an American problem: they are a density problem.

Kafke  ·  3840 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Ah, so your priority is that you don't like the voting results of your fellow citizens.

Not so. I'm happy with either choice, as long as the person voting is educated about what they are voting for. Just as I don't mind someone disagreeing on any topic, provided they know why they are disagreeing and have a thought process for it.

Ignorant voting is no better than just choosing randomly.

    instead of declaring them unworthy of their franchise.

I don't think anyone is unworthy. But you can't really vote or decide what you prefer if you don't know what you are voting for. Simple as that.

    Fear of the ill-educated does not mean they can be repressed -- that treats the problem as inherent instead of a result. It's the obligation of those that "get it" to get more of them to get their own addiction to valid information. Those that can teach, should teach and should get the chance to do it. Sure, many people do not want to teach or are bad teachers. It was an example.

You miss the point. The point is that I don't want to be forced to do shit against my will. As it stands, I live in a free country, and I'd like to keep it that way.

    I guess you should ask yourself: if you want to leave so bad, where will you go that will accept you and won't have the same problem? Frankly, the Information Age has flushed a lot of dumb people out of the bushes and into the chat rooms. They aren't just an American problem: they are a density problem.

As it stands, I don't relate to people where I currently am at all. I don't like the same food, the same entertainment, the same day-to-day things, etc. Honestly, I'd just like to go somewhere pretty much completely different.

As for the "intelligence" problem, that's unfortunately something I have to live with. It's obvious that it's a world-wide problem, not just a specific country. I'm just saying mandatory teaching isn't the way to go about fixing it.