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Thanks for the info I guess. Not sure how relevant or irrelevant any of it will be if we put boots on the ground in the Middle East for another 20 years. There is a disturbing amount of people calling for exactly that. Guys with friends from high school who died in Afghanistan getting all gassed up to enlist their sons. We can't pretend that's not real. That's to say nothing of the apocalypse fetishism of the Christians who run the white house Faith Office. They want nuclear holocaust so Jesus can come back.