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blackbootz  ·  2885 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: June 12, 2016 Orlando Nightclub Shooting, discussion

There are a few things giving me pause in replying to you. Mainly that I want to respect the conversation you're having with white2 and not me, and also because white2 is probably capable of speaking for themselves. But your reply is uncharitable and seems counterproductive to you're stated aims.

Who doesn't form opinions on incomplete information? When is information complete? When you say that it is?

I appreciate you wanting to limit misinformation, or to properly categorize opinion and fact. But there's a discussion going on about the proper response to terrorism. Hell, we might never agree as to what our subject even is, let alone what conclusions we should draw. But, tell me. What facts are here? What are the some valid conclusions you can draw that are "knowledgeable". I don't mean this sarcastically. If you don't have anything to say, that's perfectly ok. But other people do. And instead of listening, cogitating, responding or asking questions, you instead soapbox about something as uncontroversial as "let's all be more rigorous in our thought process."

There isn't enough due diligence in the world to form the proper response to mass murder, to gun reform, or to the global clash of cultures. So in the meantime, we get together and try to figure it out, very slowly and painfully. These conversations are hard in the best of times, and aren't better served with a participant with a minority opinion being lambasted on flimsy semantical grounds.

Forming opinions on incomplete information is an automatic process. It's so automatic, that the irony of this sentence seems lost on you:

    Maybe I read to much into what you're saying, but I'm fairly certain you acknowledge forming opinions on incomplete information and that my friend will get you nowhere.

You acknowledge your lack of knowledge, form an opinion, and then drew a conclusion. You called it like you saw it.

But what bothered me most is that you went to such pain to silence white2, despite your open disinterest in our discussion. If you're "not really interested in this conversation as a whole," then at the very least don't shut others down.