Is the default state of a room to be moldless? (I have lived in more than one house whose primary "shower" bathroom did not have ventilation. Without that ventilation, either mold would grow, or a window had to be kept permanently open. In this metaphor, what could water/moisture represent - keeping in mind that water is of course essential for all life.) Is the default state accurately described as a room - a construct? I think that ignorance predates our modern standards of building. Total, complete knowledge is a futile quest, but the lack of ignorance is an achievable thing - as your examples, I think, illustrate. We mostly all learn to walk, after all. I would like to ask, since we seem to disagree and I would like to give you an opportunity to express what you feel which mk's anology doesn't, what you think would be an appropriate analogy for ignorance. I would like to not believe that ignorance is our natural state because I would like to believe that we as humans are not born hating each other. The ignorance being addressed here is not, I think, just simple lack of education. I think what mk is indirectly referencing is honestly more learned laziness or encouraged perceptions of "inherent difference." But I would like to hear what you think.