I've got to say, I completely and wholeheartedly agree with you. This whole "circle jerk" thing doesn't exist in my world. I am throwing a birthday party tomorrow night for my wife, it's a surprise, and we will have about 15-20 people over. These people range from being extremely liberal to extremely libertarian, with maybe two right wing conservatives. The point is, there will be no shortage of varying ideas, thoughts and belief systems present and all of them are people I would provide Hubski invites to. They all have different careers too and different areas of specialty. I think the whole "circle jerk" thing exists in a younger demo, honestly. When I was 15-20, I was pretty die hard "X" and wore it on my sleeve, now a days I know better. As steve is fond of saying, only a sithe deals in absolutes.