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thundara  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Lie Hollywood Loves to Tell

    Think about it, isn't it obvious?

No. :P





cliffelam  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Really? Seriously, the left in Hollywood is, well, Hollywood. What was the last movie that celebrated "flyover" America?

_XC

b_b  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Uh, Superman, who lives in Metropolis but is from the Heartland. Just about every superhero movie (the biggest money makers and the most viewed films) are as Right Wing as they come. There are countless movies set in the middle of the country. The fact that you can't name one is you being facetious or willfully ignorant. Not sure which.

cliffelam  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Can I have what you're smoking?

Superman, spiderman, battleship, GI Joe - do you really think that's hollywood? (And it's instructive that you view hero's as "right wing," just saying.)

Dude, you are missing 90% of revenue: Glee, How I Met Your Mother, Vampire Diaries, 2 1/2 Men, The Good Wife, etc. I think you could argue that The Arrow and the like are "right" (I would call them centrist or traditional) but they're small taters.

_XC

b_b  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I love superhero movies, but they are most definitely right wing in their world view: A man or small group arming themselves to defend the world against evil (often where the government can't or won't deliver).

The Dark Knight Rises was about a lone billionaire stopping a communist-terrorist from destroying capitalism as we know it...and it grossed well over a billion dollars. I don't watch network TV, so I can comment on the things above. Hollywood has very liberal individuals making movies, but the studio bosses only speak one language, and that's money. They don't have an ethos other than what sells.

cliffelam  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's instructive that you think that a hero is inherently right wing.

What you described also could be the American Revolution.

Just saying.

-XC

b_b  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Superheros are inherently right wing. Heroism generally is apolitical.

In what way can this be likened to the American Revolution? I know Mel Gibson distilled it perfectly in The Patriot, but...

cliffelam  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Uh, The Patriot was a fantasy, with no actual grounding in the American Revolution.

Why do you think that super hero's are inherently right wing? In the socialist workers paradise they aren't...

-XC

b_b  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I know, I was joking about the Patriot, as its essentially a superhero fantasy about the AR. I stated above what I think is inherently right wing about superheros.

    I love superhero movies, but they are most definitely right wing in their world view: A man or small group arming themselves to defend the world against evil (often where the government can't or won't deliver).

The lone gunman out to save the world from the mysterious and mindless evildoer is the NRA's wet dream. That doesn't mean they are good, entertaining stories, just like inherently left wing movies can be great and entertaining (Philadelphia, for example).

Superhero genre is very similar to the Western genre, another of my favorites, but also one that I interpret as far more right wing than left. I don't think this is instructive. I think it means I'm entertained by acts of heroism against odds. Because I love seeing Clint Eastwood acting as a bad motherfucker in The Outlaw Josie Wales ("Dying ain't no kind of living" is one of the best lines in Hollywood history, IMHO), doesn't mean I wish that the South had won the civil war.

thundara  ·  4361 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Those shows may picture liberal-leaning characters (I haven't watched a single episode of two of those), but I'm still unconvinced that they are communist-promotions (Even in disguise).

I'm less invested in b_b's point of it having examples of right-leaning than strong cases of communism, which I see as ideologically decoupled from liberalism (Be it true communism or socialism).