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comment by kleinbl00
See, this is where it all starts seeming irrelevant to me.

I give two shits as to who or what "the framers" were. I recognize that it's really important to some people, but they're the same people who talk about "the framers" the same way they talk about "the apostles".

The Constitution was written as a living document. They plastered ten addenda on that thing within two years of ratifying it - so it's not like they expected it to be writ in stone. Even they knew that they couldn't write something that would handle everything in the future so they built in a system by which it could be adapted.

And here we are, 220 years later, still using what a bunch of dead white guys "intended" to solve arguments, rather than what they wrote. Hell, even if they were dyed-in-the-wool Protestants they wouldn't recognize their denominations today so who cares what flavor of god they did or didn't believe in?





hootsbox  ·  4551 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Yes, it was written as a document that can be amended (not changed by judicial caveat or executive order). That process was meant to be hard and strenuous to achieve so that we don't end up with a "ruling class" instead of a monarch or dictator or that we don' get caught up in the tyranny of the majority. I would caution not to take lightly the "framers"; they were persons of tremendous "unselfishness" towards the new Republic, and many gave their lives, their fortunes and risked their "sacred honor" to establish this country. Sometimes I wonder how many of us, in this modern day of the "me" generations would be willing to do the same. I would be careful not to "curse the very root of the tree which bears the fruit that you eat"! It was those framers, and the lessons they learned from observing the abuses of other forms of government in history, that gave us the foundations of what we enjoy today. It is the principles that were established, the rule of law, and the commitment to a body of governing ideas (the Constitution of the United States" that we should defend, support, and sacrifice for. Those have given all of us a level of freedom, equality (albeit not perfect in history, but better than most, if not all, of the other governmental bodies of the world), and livelihood that we enjoy here. Even this discussion site, "Hubski" is here to enjoy where in many countries it would be outlawed and we would be cast in prison. We solve arguments today based on those principles and concepts that were laid down at the founding of our nation.
kleinbl00  ·  4551 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Don't caution me; I'm an adult and your arguments are not compelling.

Feel free to practice ancestor worship. Do not, for one minute, attempt to compel me to do the same. Your arguments are uncompelling and your reasoning without rigor.

hootsbox  ·  4538 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Ah, thankfully the Founders made it possible to disagree and make comments without having to worry about being persecuted, jailed and censored. Ancestor worship - not me! Respect for their foundation and the intelligence they showed in our founding - yes. But your arguments prove the point - you are free to express your opinion (just one of those nagging founding principles) - drat!