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ButterflyEffect  ·  4304 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Black history month has been a failure

Exactly, it's preposterous that one ethnicity should receive special attention, and even then just for a month. I've never understood the rationale behind it. I do not think that anybody should have a month, no one group should receive such attention. It's a problem because I can imagine some people feeling that it makes up for prior injustices committed upon Blacks, or Hispanics, or Asians, which is hardly the case.

Just a couple of more things: 1. I'm definitely not "great". 2. What do you dislike about Huffpo? I'm not huge on them by any means, but don't really have any problems with them.





MattholomewCup  ·  4303 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In response to both you and thenewgreen, I think that you're kind of right - we shouldn't have a specific time for special attention devoted to them. However, I think that such a thing is needed, at least right now. Why? Because without black history month, no one would ever hear about black history at all. How much does any given student know about Hispanic history? Asian history? Probably not much, and the reason is that no one is saying "ok, this month we are, as a nation, going to be aware of these people and their history." Now, we aren't exactly enlightened about black history, but on the other hand at least we put out that cursory effort which is a lot more than others get.

So, long story short, we shouldn't want to have a specific month for black history, but right now, we need it. Otherwise we would never hear anything about it. The fix? Every month is black history month. And Asian history month. And Hispanic history month, and women's history and European history and native American history and Middle Eastern history.

b_b  ·  4303 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You guys all are missing the point entirely, I'm afraid. The learning history part of black history month is the least important part. As long as you're looking at it with a macro lens, you will continue to not get it. Put on the wide angle and you can see that black were legally sub-human until 1964. Black history month is a chance to try to fix that by showing great contributions of blacks to the US and the world as a way to try to impart some humanity and self confidence to the community while atoning for a former wrong in some small way.

MattholomewCup  ·  4303 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As someone who loves to study history, I have to disagree. You aren't wrong, of course - black history as we take it in America is a way to show the contributions and the value of black people on our culture and our history. And of course, it is to acknowledge the terrible pain that our culture brought upon a whole race for longer than anyone should have allowed.

However, segregating a month (the shortest one, incidentally) to say "right, this is where we learn about black people and their struggles and successes and humanity, then we'll get back to our scheduled lessons" seems very diminishing. Why? Why not teach this, and reinforce this all the time? Why not integrate the teaching of African history with the usual curriculum of dead white males? How about when you're teaching American history throughout the whole course reinforce that there were slaves, that it was traumatic, and here's what was happening at the time through every chapter? Until college, every US history class I'd ever taken had one chapter, maybe two about black people, usually squeezed into a 100-year period sometime between just before the civil war and just after MLK. Outside of that, you could assume, by most lesson plans, that there were no black people. That is insane.

So I ask - why do we only want one month to

    try to fix that by showing great contributions of blacks to the US and the world as a way to try to impart some humanity and self confidence to the community while atoning for a former wrong in some small way
This should be all the time.
user-inactivated  ·  4304 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    2. What do you dislike about Huffpo? I'm not huge on them by any means, but don't really have any problems with them.

Extreme bias, generally lower quality articles than, say, NYT or Forbes, etc.

EDIT: case in point, the word 'epic' appears in the article's title

ButterflyEffect  ·  4304 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I was iffy on that word appearing in the title. Thanks for answering the question and pointing those issues out. I don't read HuffPo very often, so I haven't noticed the bias. Often being maybe an article a month from them, but I thought this one was interesting headline notwithstanding.

user-inactivated  ·  4304 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Still read the article; it was short. The guy's got good points, I guess, in that his article is a pretty good jumping-off point to Wikipedia some names and learn some stuff about African history.

But he's wrong about what Black History Month is. It's a month the government created so they could talk about Langston Hughes, Maya Angelou and the Harlem Renaissance. Maybe Delta Blues, if you've got an especially good teacher.

It missed the mark. It's been shunted aside within the education system. I went to one of the best high schools in America, and they barely gave it a nod. Maybe we made a poster or two, read a poem. Fuck all that. If you're the type of person who cares about knowledge and equality, you'll teach yourself that black people are as smart as white people using the internet, and if you're not, the biggest amount of evidence in the world isn't going to convince you of anything.

ButterflyEffect  ·  4304 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Short isn't necessarily a bad thing. Why do we need a month to teach about those topics though? Those are important people and events that should be included in secondary school curriculum's. Is it then an educational issue that we're looking at? I feel that it should be interspersed throughout the year, Black history is an important part of American history and should be coupled with that, not relegated to a month.

user-inactivated  ·  4304 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Is it then an educational issue that we're looking at?

Yeah. But there are a lot more important problems in American education than whether 17-year-olds have heard of Langston Hughes.