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kleinbl00  ·  102 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: June 5, 2024

That makes sense. I once asked "so what happens when I put gold foil on silver for enameling" and was told "you increase the gold content in your silver alloy" and silver is relatively benign as alloyants go.

The Edwardian Era/Belle Epoque is noteworthy for platinum because it allowed haute joilerrie houses to make light, lacy constructions that would be impossible in gold or silver. Of course it also wants to be worked in an oxygen-free environment so it was mostly cold-formed stuff pinned together rather than castings or soldered components.

So. Ever seen Pt/Mn? Any guesses what it would behave like? "manganese alloys" aren't really where I live. Only thing I know about alloying manganese with steel is it gets impressive and the only comparison I can draw between platinum and steel is neither likes oxygen and both can be made magnetic (which freaked me out when I first learned that).





Devac  ·  102 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Ever seen Pt/Mn?

Not really, but maybe it's more notable industrially, considering what you wrote about its mechanical properties. I recall someone from Czechia working on MnPt nanocomposites, but I couldn't see the significance of their work, to put it euphemistically. I guess it could be used as a catalyst, since both manganese and platinum are stupidly robust in that role? Maybe for alcohol oxidation or more generally as a replacement of sorts for metal-carbonyl complex catalysts. I can search more thoroughly if you want, but nothing pops up in my immediate wheelhouse.

kleinbl00  ·  102 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wanna say no because I WANT TO BELIEVE but I'm going to say yes because if there's a legit use case for platinum-manganese wire I'm really curious as to what it is.

You'll be much more successful at your search than I was because you are not a golden retriever in goggles in this field.

Devac  ·  102 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hah, no worries, I'm Team Mulder too. And science is probably always a blast, so it looks like an interesting thing to check out for myself. For instance, I looked into chemical, but completely neglected (the applications of) magnetic properties it could have, which is much more my day-job area of interest. I'm just lukewarm on the whole controversy, because Avi "chair of physics at Harvard" Loeb crying foul at the 'physics establishment' is a tad hilarious. If nobodies like am_U or I seriously postulated anything like he did, we'd be keelhauled under the liquid nitrogen cystern, not published. ;)

kleinbl00  ·  102 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah it's all Eugene Levy in Splash until someone finds a mermaid, and then it's suddenly the Sackler Chair of the Department of Astroarchaeology at Columbia.

Devac  ·  101 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not saying 'the system' doesn't suck, but it's undeniable that anyone else would have been strongarmed into removing the part even implying/suggesting ET intelligence as a possible explanation for the possibility of the object being a 'pancake' sail rather than rotated oblong.

Would it be awesome to be true? Absolutely. Do we need more data? Yes. Does it require more research? Ditto. Do I want to believe? Hell yeah! But because of the implications of this work, skepticism has to be on the all-time high.

Back when the topic was fresh, I was being dismissive of quite a few rebuttals to Loeb, saying how "adding these 15 parameters gives a better explanation" is a worthless statement on par with "my gf is homeomorphic with a torus, so is Liv Tyler, therefore I'm screwing Arven on the daily, therefore I'm Aragorn." Now? I want to believe, but don't want to be reckless or show any less scrutiny than I'd give to my research, neither on the record nor off. Which I suppose is exactly what you want in a scientist. I just became far more wary of Loeb('s persona) with time.