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kleinbl00  ·  1336 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: August 19, 2020

I've mentioned the neighbors before. I have security cameras up because the neighbor kid doesn't get his medicine sometimes and tears up their disability checks. he came into my yard and cut my christmas lights with scissors, he came into my house, stole my daughter's boots and threw them on his roof. At one point there were seven of them (five adults, two children) in 1100sqft with one bathroom. One of them is in a wheelchair. Two of them are on disability. Pretty sure the patriarch overdosed on fentanyl or oxycontin.

They bought the house in '86. Paid their last payment in 2016. And in order to get around the "seven people in 1100sqft" problem they took out a $240k HELOC, $30k in personal loans and built a 1200sqft addition.

Well, first they hired an unlicensed, unbonded contractor to do the job. He took their $10k deposit, got busted for drunk driving and is currently in jail on a bench warrant or some shit, despite the fact that this was 18 months ago. So they went with a second guy who took $20k and did such a bad job of the design part that he couldn't get a permit. They didn't get that money back, either. Third guy? Third guy was flat rate! Agreed to do it all for a price! Got a permit and everything! So. $30k in the hole already, they somehow manage to find an AirBnB for $5k a month that... oh wait, that one has stairs in front which they didn't look into before putting down a one-month deposit on a place their wheelchair-bound daughter has to live for three months (and get in a cabulance for therapy four times a week). So I helped walk them through the process of getting your money back from AirBnB. But then they found another place for $6k a month...

So they were supposed to break ground around Halloween, and the family was supposed to be out of the house from a week before Thanksgiving until New Year's. But then the contractor discovered the decommissioned septic tank by accident and also excavated their sewer pipe all in the space of six hours. So they're out of the house from Halloween to Valentine's Day. So that's another what? $12k?

They're back in the house on Valentine's Day. But the cabinets are in the garage, the drywall isn't entirely up and worst of all, 3/4ths of the exterior is Tyvek. And the contractor is out of money. And he needs more money to keep going. And there's no money to be had.

They told me last week that the estimates for finishing the siding range between $35k and $45k. They're HELOC'd to the hilt, their personal credit is all used up and their 120 day Tyvek is at nine months and counting. Rainy season starts next month. They had a blue tarp keeping the rain out on one side already and they redid the siding badly about ten years ago on the other side. I have no idea what horrorshow these contractors are seeing but I know that there's still a porta-potty out front which leads me to believe the contractor who did the addition is Tango Uniform. I think he lowballed himself out of existence and this family of five, occasionally seven, occasionally eight, isn't watertight in the pacific northwest.

Got a neighbor. He's remodeled maybe five, maybe six houses in the neighborhood. Born here, grew up here, mother lives here, friends live here. He doesn't flip so much as he rehabs because he's still pissed at the couple who bought his first remodel in 2004 for not finishing the driveway like they promised after he gave them a credit. He offered this family a deal to just buy the place and go somewhere else but they dropped $270k on an incomplete remodel. Meanwhile the permit that remodel was done under has expired. To get another, to get the place inspected to meet civil, insurance and fiduciary obligations, another contractor has to sign on to this thing.

Was talking to a property manager/flipper buddy of mine last night. He pointed out that nobody will work on this thing because it's nothing but a giant liability downside. Will my neighbor take it on? I doubt it; he was remodeling another place for his mother that, last I checked, was undergoing a new roof and had been taken down to the studs out front. I think he found a leak a decade or two after it started.

So I think I get to watch this family melt out of their house and become homeless. I think this ends in a red tag. And I think the bank will seize it as soon as they get around to it because they're owed $240k on a structure that probably won't improve prior to demolition.

My buddy suggested that the offer price should probably be $370k; it was worth $430 before being expanded to 2200sqft but probably needs $70k worth of violence to get it back to livable (the back yard is a construction site, for example). If they took it, they will have taken a house that was worth $430k free and clear, thrown $300k at it and walked away with $100k. Assuming someone offered. Assuming they were smart enough to throw in the towel.

It's like watching your neighbors give their futures cancer and knowing you can't do anything to help.

Meanwhile I've managed to beg more money out of the government for my wife's business than the network pays me to work in a year. It's deeply troubling to me how much easier life is when you have a little money. I'm a long way from rich but sweet holy jesus just the benjamins they're waving at me are appalling.





uhsguy  ·  1335 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I mean I don’t get it, why not just diy it? The scaffolding can be rented or built. There are videos on the internet it’s not that hard. If you can live with mismatched siding you could probably get nearly free shit off cl and put the kids to work. The permit department will probably work with you to renew your existing permit if you explain the circumstances and bring 2 kids to the permit office those people aren’t monsters. The meager government bailout money might buy enough material to get stuff done. The end game is to finish it all and refi everything into a nice low 2% payment although with automatic approval I could see trying to apply for a refi and hoping it just clears without appraisal. I’d also be selling everything I owned doing odd jobs eating rice and beans from the free food pantry to get that shit fixed.

That being said I dont think that people that put themselves into situations like that really have the tools to get out. And if I were your contractor buddy I’d probably wait till forcloser and pick it up on the cheap then. Bailing these folks out is unlikely to improve there situation for more than a couple years

kleinbl00  ·  1335 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh I know. I keep their lawnmower running. They DIY'd the siding last time which was a three week adventure I don't care to watch again. And that was just one wall.

I think the real difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals want the world to be safe for people like this, while conservatives want it to be lucrative for people who aren't.

uhsguy  ·  1335 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I get it from a public policy perspective letting people like this continue to make terrible mistakes is not good because they and all their dependents end up wards of the state. That being said crafting public policy around them creates a nanny state that won’t allow for shoelaces because the are a trip hazard. Finding a balance between the two is truly difficult.

Besides there isn’t really a liberal or Conservative party anymore there is just the republocrats and the fascists. Both of them think the best place for your neighbors is in jail stamping listener plates because then they can’t make poor choices anymore and they will generate more money for the corporation.

kleinbl00  ·  1335 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Finding a balance between the two is truly difficult.

And there aren't many people trying anymore.

The Republicans are basically a troll party at this point. The Democrats are basically Republicans. And my neighbors are screwed, and I get to watch.

uhsguy  ·  1335 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not just watch you get to buy up the ruins of their lives for pennies on the dollar. I don’t know if that makes it better or worse but that’s how you know you made it in the USA.

kleinbl00  ·  1335 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah not sure if it's gonna be me or the rehabber up the street. He's certainly got more experience with it.

I'm gonna have to broach the subject with 'em. It's been suggested that maybe they could go after the contractor's bond, assuming they can find a retainer for the lawyer. If nothing else, make it clear that getting out before it's started rotting is gonna be best for everyone.

Gddamnit.